On Thursday December 8, I received a call from Mona Alsop, not intending, as I requested 10 days ago, to give me a full statement on the Big Bear Choppers situation, but asking that we remove her phone number listed in “comments” by a person who could be an ex collaborator.
Of course, during this phone conversation, I asked her the questions to which all BC’s clients/vendors and the overall industry would like answers. To almost each of them Mona replied that BBC’s lawyer requested that her and Kevin make no statement. The only pieces of information I could get was: 1- that BBC tried hard to keep the business afloat, hoping for an investor to step in. 2- that the company will file for bankruptcy. 3- that Kevin would have contacted all clients who have legitimate issues regarding deposits or bikes paid in full and never delivered.
Mona refused to clearly answer my questions regarding: the foreclosure process by 2 of BBC’s lenders; if one way or the other BBC intended to complete the bikes ordered, paid and never delivered; if it is true that they already moved equipment/bikes/inventory to another location and which one; if BBC has the intention to operate under bankruptcy or if her and Kevin intend to start a new bike building business.
Before ending the conversation, and although I obviously respect the fact that their attorney doesn’t want BBC owners to talk to the press, I suggested again that it would be better for all those concerned by BBC demise that she provides me with a written official statement regarding her and Kevin’s intentions, and that I will publish it as is. For this purpose, a deadline of Friday evening December 9 was agreed between us but I still didn’t receive any statement as of today Sunday December 12, 2011.
Since I published my 1st article about BBC suspending its operations, I have received calls and emails from some of BBC’s clients who state that they have paid in full or given deposits, some 11 months ago, for custom bikes never started or delivered. Some have commented in writing in my website about their anger and frustration with the Alsop’s and of their impossibility to communicate with them. A well informed source formally working at BBC told me that deposits were still taken less than one month ago and that collaborators since a long time have tried to discourage Kevin & Mona Alsop to continue such practice when there was no hope that bikes could be completed. It seems that the number of bikes ordered by clients located in the US and abroad and never delivered would be quite high. I was also told by another source that inventory and tools would have been moved to an undisclosed location. I was unable to verify all these allegations, and as I mentioned above, I got only non-answers from Mona Alsop when I asked her to confirm or deny.
What is known for sure is that the 2 loans given to BBC by First Mountain Bank (147,000) and in second rank last April by Big bear Lake City Small Business Administration ($100,000) are delinquent with apparently a due principal higher than the original amounts of these loans. Apparently they were given on the basis of BBC’s bike orders. Such process is typical of what is requested by banks and non-fraudulent if money received for these orders is not already spent, partially or in full, for payment of general bills like salaries, rent, contractors not related to the cost of building each specific ordered motorcycle, etc. Money received to build motorcycles are trust funds belonging to clients. Some, in the industry, and although it’s not a legal requirement, cautiously put deposits in separate bank accounts to avoid commingling the company’s and clients’ funds, the right way to avoid legal trouble and the risk of felony charges if there is a legal breach of contract and the builder is out of money to start or complete a motorcycle. For a company, to deliver parts or a partly completed motorcycle for the corresponding deposit amount is also a breach of contract because the client ordered a completed motorcycle, not parts, nor a partial motorcycle because it’s still not a motorcycle until fully completed and road worthy. Now, clients I talked to are convinced that their money was illegally spent by BBC only for the purpose of keeping the company afloat a longer time.
My impression, and the one of a majority of people professionally close to BBC as former collaborators, vendors and clients, is that Kevin and Mona Alsop tried too long and too hard, and by all means, to maintain a business already showing signs of serious trouble at least 2 years ago. Is it terrible business judgment, greed gone too far, ego of its managers, denial of economic realities or a combination of all this that pushed the Alsops to continue taking deposits while they apparently knew very well that they didn’t have the human resources, the equipment and no more clients’ money to build their motorcycles? I don’t know for sure, but I think that if all allegations are confirmed it was for the Alspo’s taking huge professional and personal legal risks with possible very serious and long term consequences for both of them. From my point of view, it’s never worth it. (to follow)
If they move corporate assets to an undisclosed location just before filing for bankruptcy, it will have very serious consequences. Just saying.
Feel for their customers this is a familiar story of greedy people taking advantage of a surge in the bike building business and trusting people taking it in the ass.
How about reposting Mona”s phone number.
Cyril in your article you are way too nice with these people. It looks like the industry is not too sorry for them. There must be 1 good reason, or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5, etc
Yah, this is crap! If they were taking deposits with full knowing that they could not fill orders, both of them and anyone else in the company that knew this should sit in jail for a long time. Its people like this that give custom builders of any product a bad name.
Least when OCC was going through their money issues, customers still got their bikes…. I almost bought a BBC (used but still) and I’m very glad I don’t have one of these in my garage right now. Think about how low the resale value will be!
Sounds like they are in deep shit.
I for one hope that the monies taken for deposits are found taken by fraudulent means with intent to defraud, that the monies borrowed were ill gotten and spent for other uses than loaned for, and that they are found guilty for bankruptcy fraud.
From what I read and have been told, they willfully did what they were doing all along and had no intent for the monies taken as deposits and borrowed other than to support their lifestyles with the possibility of fulfilling orders as they could as the economy improves.
Bernie Madoff was sorry too! Look at Jodie Foster’s dad taking the deposits for houses and now going to jail…same thing. Same thing different goods. If they do the crime, make them do the time.
Boss Hawg
I HEARD THEY TOOK MONEY FROM THE MARINES AND GIVE THEM AN INCOMPLETE BIKE HERE IN SAN DIEGO,CA. WHEN I HEARD, KEVIN SAID THAT YOU HAVE A COMPLETE BIKE AND ,THE BIKE WAS MISSING PARTS AND THEY WERE TAKEN OFF CUSTOMERS BIKES TO FUILL THE ORDER. BUT ALL THE PARTS ARE NOT ALL THERE TO BUILD A BIKE, NOT A GOOD WAY TO TREAT ARE WOUNDED WARROIR MARINES….W.T.F.
The old live-off-the-deposits story;
To be followed by the doing-5 to15 years-for-a-variety-of-Federal-charges story…..
Ah….this is getting better than the Days Of Our Lives
Boss Hawg
Well can’t say that I didn’t warn folks about this, I been saying it for over two years now! Again the Alsops have no honor and never did! Just look at the way the recall was handled and how they tried every trick in the book to keep that information from becoming public in the first place and by so doing putting thousands of lives at risk just to cover their own @sses! Then trying to insist that it was the owners fault and not their $hitty manufacturing with no beveling on the frame tubes and only poorly done surface welds! Anyone that would do such a thing shows absolutely no regard for the safety and welfare of their customers lives and the lives of those around them and obviously can’t be trusted with anything whatsoever much less your money! Here’s hopping that each of them (and anyone else that helped them in their deception) get multiple felony charges that rack up about 25 years each in federal prison!
Hey Kev, say hello to Bubba your new cellmate and ask him nicely to please use the KY!
LL
Hey maybe the douche that owned Mid West Choppers has room in his cell for Kevin…
Doesn’t look good for the clients, vendors and the Alsop duo. Another black eye to the motorccle industry.
Where did they hide the money they made from the other bikes? Will the state take their house in Hawaii? The cash is somewhere they just want to be able to walk away and let the general public pay their bill. Deport his ass back to wherever he came from. They knocked off a lot of good law abiding citizens products with no regard for ethics. All they are is thieves! Send the both of them to JAIL!
Mark my words! Bourget is working on new bikes he Will knock off Confederates style of bike. It’s in his nature to knock off products too.
@ Mike Out….
WTF…you don’t really mean Kevin & Mona Alsop have a house in Hawaii do you???
Tell us what ya know please.
Boss Hawg
Cyril, noticed the phones numbers are still here.
Guess Mona still hasn’t learned, “you have to give respect to get respect”
I have never seen a crew so hated by everyone in all my years. The vendors , employees , customers dealers they all hate these 2. Must be a good reason with all that
No offense but I can’t believe anyone would consider buying a new BBC within the last 2 or 3 years, especially since the frame recall which was handled so poorly. Buyer beware especially in such a bad economy. It would be one thing to buy a new complete bike from their showroom or a dealer, but to give them a deposit towards a new build? My condolences but that was a bad decision that has been widely known for years now. Good luck, I hope you get your money back.
Through the grape vine, they had or still have a house there. Think about it they made 21 MILLION a year. That’s a ton of cash! They have it somewhere. Look at SR. At occ he has made over 100 million in his pocket, but he’s giving up his mega million dollar building because it’s not worth as much as he signed for. He has the money to build another building for less out of his own pocket though. The Alsops want to be able to walk away with just a bankruptcy to their business name. Bankruptcy is a very big deal for most, but for some it’s a way to leave someone else holding the bag on their bills. Theyve been getting their ducks in a row and very soon they will walk away to somewhere out of view and enjoy the money they stashed. So to the Alsops and Paul SR. I say F@CK YOU pay your bills ,you LOW LIFE MFers
Did any of you see the Bloomberg Mentor show with Big Bear Choppers. It was weird. I saw this episode just two weeks ago and It must have been filmed eight months before. They showed bikes half completed and said were are trying to complete this bike, but no employees were working on it. It fact I saw no employess other than the Aslops. Just an empty warehouse. They keot telling thier mentor they just needed half a million to get things back on track!! You would think that they would have at least hired some help for those days of shooting, but they could couldn’t even think that though. They said on air that they had money and had not talked to their customers for months on bikes that were months overdue!!! After seeing that show I’m not surprised to read this entry by Cyril.
I’m surprised the Feds have not stepped in -
On a positive note… There were many companies who before they closed their doors, paid their employees, filled their customers orders, paid their employee taxes, paid the state, paid the IRS, paid their vendors, and all corporate bills. Sold their properties or when their lease ended moved out, leaving no one looking for any money from them. These people showed ETHICS when going out of business. To these people,we should be proud of the integrity they showed when times were hardest and stress levels were highest. They were able to maintain character during a difficult time. NOT ALL companies that closed their doors displade unethical behavior. There are a few companies which I miss being able to buy there products because they are not around anymore, but at least they were HONEST and did not STEAL from me.
MIke Out… before you condemn Sr, check your facts. He came to an agreement with the bank to refinance the loan on the building and due to this, he will keep his current facility.
Also, bankruptcy does not mean you leave someone else holding the bag. It’s a way of business and restructuring debts and assets. trump has done it several times and he is considered a financial mastermind to many.
No one will ever see a dime from these two and it is doubtful they will ever do any time in jail. Even if those people who lost money sue them and win, winning and collecting are two different things! I dealt with a piece of shit builder in Orlando who took my deposit and a lot of others money and closed up shop. Filed a law suit and won, but I was behind hundreds of other creditors that wanted their money and never got a dime. He was brought up on plenty of charges, but he did no time.
If he hooks up with Billy Lane there will be some awesome sleds comin out da joint!
i have first hand information that the alsop’s have moved out of there house, most likely because of the pig head that was thrown in there yard two weeks ago. Mona was seen in the local Von’s store tonight which means to me that they are renting a house or staying in a hotel somewhere in Big Bear still. the 70 customers that have been taking advantaged of need to band together and get the federal goverment invovled.
Sad ending to fairy tale story. I agree with everyone,where did the money went and why were they not giving customers the clear picture?
Hope guys who invested in their products get their cash back.
everytime i read one of these things the 6 big bears we have left are losing value by the internet click .It sucks that we ever got involved with this company our $250,000 investment must have bought them some nice household items .
Really unfortunate that these folks have been such shitheads in closing the doors. Walk away from the bank debt?….it’s business…Walk away before bilking people out of their personal money and savings? Now it’s personal and you should have your nuts cut off…both Mona and Kevin.
Advised my chrome shop to hold the order of BBC forward controls they dropped off a couple months ago…sure would be interesting to see if Kevin or Mona showed up to claim them.
Im surprised they managed to stay open this long, next time you have her on the phone ask them about putting used motors and used transmissions in bikes, getting a buy back from dealer that were over 3 years old and putting new vin numbers on them and selling them as that current years model. when they put the x-wedge in the first athena and sled models and bending the seat post with a hammer because it hit the starter. with them there was no quality control the more bikes that went out and the faster they went out the quicker they got paid.
Just more evidence that the ” Chopper ” craze is over. As I have stated before anyone want to invest in a small ” Chopper ” building company??
Kinda of ironic that the Alsop’s were suing everybody for stealing their so called original parts and now they have stolen customers deposits. Met them once at the V Twin Show, they were both ass holes. Hope they do some jail time
@ Biker 64
Amen Brother…you got that statement dead on!
Boss Hawg
..alomst like a Ponzy Scheme..taking in money to pay off others..
ride on
Silver lining of the recession. Getting rid of the bad apples.
reading all this people, makes me feel ashamed to be australian. i say this coz i really cant beleive kevin would do a runner. mona does as shes told, shel stay by her man as many do b4 her, and, many after her. so, lets just keep her outa this.now, even if kevin knew all this shit was happening, didnt the company have accountants ? didnt those accountants see and ,forsee what was happening ? are all of you that kwik to sentence people to jail ? the way i see it, the bastards behind those swivel chairs lookn at computors for 6-8 hrs a day gettn big dollars to manage a company should be strung up,, dont you think so ? — kev, if yr readin this mate, do what u can 4 the bikers !! its those people that put you there in the first place, u may have worked hard in the beginning, but, they put you up there !! no ifs or buts ! pay back those deposits man, please !
I hear about 70 bikes paid in part or in full and not completed. Is it possible? It sounds so incredible!
I just want to say that Orange County Choppers is a great customer of ours and has always been straight forward. The guys you see on tv contact us personally and there is nothing i can say bad about them. always pay thier bills without fail. You dont find them running from the phone.
For BBC, 70 bikes would mean for sure more than 1 year of work,. 1 year of deposits going where? Not going only to pay rent, utilities or salaries (to pay people not building?) So, where went the money? If it went in Alsop’s pockets, big trouble ahead.
I have a lot of respect for for Kevin and Mona. They have tried very hard to keep things afloat through this difficult time. I have watched how they handled their business, and I’d be willing to bet none of you could have done it better.
Want to talk about people getting jacked??????????????
LIGHTENING LARRY…….
You filed a bogus lawsuit over a bike YOU destroyed.
Strokers Dallas ordered 20 bikes to be built and shipped. Kevin built them, shipped them and dude never paid.
The list goes on and on.
I am sure that Kevin never intended for his customers to be hurt. Now it is each man for himself.
Just a small vision of where this whole country is going.
So, quit your whining and man up.
Are you saying Strokers Dallas ordered 20 BBC bikes and never paid them? It needs a confirmation and a reply from Rick Fairless .
Well, check it out. He is just one of many. Rick sent all the bikes back without a word.
How far would you be able to go with the crap if you were in his shoes?
Think about it.
Kevin had an awesome plan, and his bikes were the best customs out there.
There comes a time when enough is a f in nuff, and there is no way to win or even get ahead anymore.
Then what happens?
All I am saying is Kevin did not set out to intentionally “rip people off” as everyone is saying.
Sometimes there is no good way to handle crap. He tried.
spot on aerial ! MOUSE UP GUYZ !!
Ariel. And why Rick fairless sent the 20 BBC bikes back without a word? Are you saying BBC ran in trouble because of that? Not very credible.
Just one thing… the Alsops have stolen more than customer deposits.. i know for a fact that they took $35k from two different people at least six months ago… they also took about $34k from an old man about eleven months ago…plus they took $56k from another unsuspecting customer…that adds up to more than $160k…those weren’t deposit, but the full cost of the bikes… these customers were told that if they put up the full fare that their bikes would be built in 12 weeks or sooner than the normal period of time that it took to build a bike … that amount of money plus other money that i don’t know about and the deposit money adds up to a lot of accountable money with no bikes to show for it…so where is it the money? We all know where… there is just so little we can do about it…. none of us who were taken in by these people who have some sort of sick sense of entitlement will ever see any of that money or procuct… the best we can hope for is that they will never be allowed to go back into business and do this to someone else…
I am saying that a lot has gone down, and that this is just one of the issues he faced. None of us know everything that transpired. He has hung in there doing his best for longer than most. I give him credit for that.
I have respect for the MAN. I have respect for his loyal wife. This is a difficult time for all of us, especially us in the bike world.
Shoulda bought a Victory.
Since when you are a business man with merit because you ask clients to pay deposits or in full for bikes you know you will never build? Loyal to her husband? Profiting with her husband. In my books it’s called white collar crime. No?
Ariel Dakin,
Get this straight ASSHOLE that POS frame was designed and built bad! End of story and there are MOUNTAINS of proof to that fact! Not only do I have a certified failure analysis on it but there were others that did x-rays on the welds that show the truth as well. Even BBC’s own failure analysis of the welds showed that! Kevin tried to keep all that from the public but the NHTSA made them deal with it but even then they still tried to continue the lie that it was somehow the owners fault! Do you know how many neck failures actually happened? Well I do and so does the NHTSA, last count there was 6 neck failures! Are all those other neck failures bogus too! You don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground! I’ll even give you the opportunity to come to my house and see that frame up close and personal and make the determination for yourself! So put up or shut the hell up and that goes for anyone else that thinks those welds and the tube prep were done right! Kevin was and is a liar and a thief and you’re an idiot if you believe any different!
LL
LOL! You are the fool loser. And we both know the real truth about that. Get a life. Learn how to ride.
Maybe you should have stuck with mini bikes. More your speed. LOL
and yes, it it your fault. Constantly pullin wheelies on a 12 foot chopper. IGNORANT is all.
6 neck failures out of how many bikes? All sorts of parts will fail if you abuse your scoot fool. Even Harleys have failures.
Run along now little boy.
Nothing wrong with trying to make a company work, but when the signs are there and you’re not seeing it happen, there’s something called INTEGRITY….READ CAREFULLY…INTEGRITY.
It’s like pulling somebody else underwater because you don’t know how to swim, until you’ve screwed both that person and yourself…die like a man with your failure to learn how to swim…don’t take others down with you.
They “hung in there doing his best for longer than most”…using other folk’s money and loans, and so on. Hell…I could live pretty comfortably off that money for a few years in Big Bear…except I have a conscience.
I’m astonished to see such support…sounds like a drinking buddy.
Henry Belzer
White collar crime…yes indeed it would be that and more.
Lightning Larry
Don’t let the dude upset you….you know the facts and allegations, too. It is more than likely someone being promised something to refute these postings sort of like kevs sista in da hood.
Boss Hawg
Well I don’t care what you guys say . . . I’d do her. . . I just wouldn’t buy a bike from them. But I don’t buy bikes from anyone. I build my own and never had a weld failure on a frame and I’m not a certified welder. But I have worked with allot of certified welders. I can’t believe a certified welder would let a frame go with a bad weld. Of course if they weren’t using certified welders all bets are off. My 2 cents
Boss Hawg – Not a sis or even a friend. Just tried of all the bashing.
The Supreme Team – I do agree with you.
Just stating my opinion was all.
Actually I’ve seen their frames up close and the welds aren’t as much the issue as just plain poor design. I know I wouldn’t use one of their frames on a build. The way the recall was handled seemed to be a huge issue with their customer base too and that bad PR tends to spread fast. I’m sure there are issues behind the scenes too as there are with any story. Just another black eye on an already battered industry.
Hey Ariel, your information is WRONG & it pisses me off that you brought my name up in all this BS. At one time I was a BBC dealer, but I saw this day coming 3 years ago, at which time I terminated my dealership with BBC & we have to do that thru the State of Texas & GE Financial. There are many reasons that I terminated my BBC dealership that I won’t go into here. I pride myself on being a good business man & terminating my BBC dealership was a good business decision. In the state of Texas, when a dealership is terminated then the manufacturer must buy back any current inventory on the dealer’s floor plan & the manufacturer knows that when they enter into a contract with a dealer in the great state of Texas. I went through the proper channels through the state of Texas & GE Financial which held the paper on those bikes & it was 9 bikes not 20. Ya know, I may not be the smartest kid in this Special Ed class, but I knew this day was coming & I didn’t want to get stuck with bikes on my floor plan that I couldn’t give a way! Who ever you are Ariel, please leave me out of this. My business & personal relationship with BBC is none of your dang business! I wrote a bunch more stuff on here, but after reading it & cooling off a little, I decided to delete most of it, but at least I feel a little better now! Good luck to everyone caught up in this very unfortunate situation, it’s very, very sad for our very proud industry. Mark my word, this industry will rebound & be better than ever. My intent is to leave this industry better than I found it & I hope that’s your intent as well.
Good luck to all involved.
RF
Instant Karma
I have the feeling that when everything is discovered, the BBC story may be the worst heard in a long time in the custom motorcycle industry. I hope not, but I am afraid it will damage builders’ reputation. Very sad if it’s the case because there are many honest people working hard, always thinking in the best interest of their clients..
Next step, Mona Alsop defends herself pretending she was never aware of these deposits and never personally benefited… Heard this before in the news?
Like I said Ariel if you’re so sure of what you say then come to my house yourself and see it first hand. I’ll show you the frame the failure analysis and all the documentation, that offer goes out to any and all doubters.
Never ever have I ever pulled a wheelie on any bike I have ever owned and just where are you hearing that from, Kevin maybe as some kind of excuse to divert attention away from his shitty manufacturing and design practices? How the hell would you or anyone else for that matter that doesn’t even know me be stupid enough to say something like that! I have likely been riding longer than you have been alive, you don’t know me or anything about me. You’re just a regurgitation of false information and not even that good at it. So again put up or shut up, if your gonna call me a liar then come on up and do so to my face, you live in California obviously and San Jose is not the far from SoCal so come on up! I have proof of what I say, do you????
LL
And so Ariel we also see how good your information actually is regarding Rick Fairless and what you say and what he says. So Ariel is Rick a liar or are you???? I think it’s pretty obvious!
LL
Asa part time Big Bear resident for many years, I watched the rise (and fall?) of Big Bear Choppers from the beginning. Thier building has looked pretty sad for months now. Nobody there and only a bike or 2 in the window. I don’t know the Alsop’s personally but there was a lot of good local people working there who had a real passion for the bikes and the business. Too bad, sounds like its all over for them now. Real concerned about the recent stories of taking deposits with no chance of building the bikes and hiding assets and all. Who do the Alsops think they are? Some kind of Wall Street types who can steal billions and never get in trouble?
Rick Fairless is the bomb! He has and will always do it right! The way our industry should be run. Frank Kaisler, an industry legend, introduced me to Rick way back when I just cut my teeth in this world…we need to get back to this world! BTW, someone left a dead pig in Mona and Kevin’s front yard last week. Says a lot….. Check out the local Big Bear police reports.
Rick – . I do apologize for bringing your name in. You are right and your point taken. Your business decisions are your business, but as you know you cant make everyone happy. Some decisions are really difficult, and most affect others in some way.
Just tired of the bashing. Perhaps, the bashers should walk a mile in Kevin’s shoes.
I wish you success in this difficult time.
This is a very sad story. They had been very good people.
Larry – Evidently you have forgotten your post on utube, and the Ride the Mountain?
Not too surprising…… like I said, “we both know that truth.
After the bank closed Big Dog Motorcycles, the writing was on the wall for other manufacturers of custom or semi-custom V-Twins. Like Sheldon, Kevin tried to keep that ship afloat as long as he could. Unfortunately, when businesses fail, the folks running the business are viewed as “bad guys” regardless much they lost trying to make it a success.
Unfortunately, BDMPP recently laid off John Nasi and Michaell Simmons. Both were top notch individuals who tried to make BDMPP a success.
With help from a lot of guys like Rick Fairless, this industry will turn around. I just hope some to the guys who built the industry are around to enjoy the recovery.
Ariel,
I’ve never posted anything on uTube! Send me the link to what you are referring to or is this just another one of your attempted deceptions.
And yes I do KNOW the truth!
LL
I have a welding job for Kevin. It pay’s $16.55 an hour!
Its too bad manufacturers don’t have the same legal protection as dealers do when it comes to back pedaling bad business decisions. Rick mentioned it. When a dealer decides he can’t sell a product, the state requires the manufacturer buy everything back. That includes bikes, parts, apparel. Everything. And in some states they have to pay the dealers interest, shipping charges, and building lease. Market collapses, manufacturers have to buy everything back. Dealers either close their doors and go back to their day job or try to sell service and parts. Manufacturers end up with all the product that didn’t sell and end up filing bankruptcy. Why this surprises everyone amazes me. Get ready because the rest of the manufacturers are suffering and now we’re down to the group that is “too big to fail”.
If Cyril didn’t start talking about BBC 2 weeks ago, today Kevin would continue to take deposits from clients.
The Alsop’s: reckless management. Price to pay very soon.
Well….
Sumtin comes to mind bout living in glass houses and throwin stones.
Yall act like you no all facts. Spewing B.S.
Careful.
Cyril, I like you very much and respect what you do with your Blog,,But don’t you think that you were Dreaming a bit, demanding a full statement or a legal explanation of their “Doings”! Come on Cyril,do you think that there is a way that you are going to relieve the anxiety of the Customers that are taking it up the old Poop shoot.These Folks, Your readers and Motorcycle Lovers are done!
Right on DMV
DMV says,
“Its too bad manufacturers don’t have the same legal protection as dealers do when it comes to back pedaling bad business decisions. Rick mentioned it. When a dealer decides he can’t sell a product, the state requires the manufacturer buy everything back. That includes bikes, parts, apparel. Everything. And in some states they have to pay the dealers interest, shipping charges, and building lease. Market collapses, manufacturers have to buy everything back. Dealers either close their doors and go back to their day job or try to sell service and parts. Manufacturers end up with all the product that didn’t sell and end up filing bankruptcy. Why this surprises everyone amazes me. Get ready because the rest of the manufacturers are suffering and now we’re down to the group that is “too big to fail”.
The BBC website just went down while I was looking at it. Fyi
Too cute, so apropos … BBC didn’t pay the Website Host either…LMFAO
Quote “This site has been suspended. Please contact the billing department. 1-866-WEBAIR-1″
Boss Hawg
I was just about to order another set of axle covers for my DA
I see those about the only thing I’ll miss about BBC..
Kinda like the Black Death Motorcycles story, but in another decennium…
RF = class act
FYI – just tried to open their web site – say “this site is suspended, please contact the billing dept” – guess it’s over for them
Ariel Dakin, please stay out of it. You have given nothing but bad information.You slandered people, and you were wrong. Lighting Larry you one bad mo-fo doing wheelies on those long and low BBC bikes, i just didn’t see it from the first time Ariel posted it,
Next time try looking before you leap Ariel
What a bunch of f***ing turkey vulchers. Feeding off of someones misfortune.
Pig carcass in front yard?
Expecting his wife to disclose info.?
Unbelievable!
Kudos to Aerial for standing up.
What a bunch of vultures, circling for your piece of the kill like bloody carnivores. How many of you good people praised their work, applauded their success and were impressed by their product.
Now, with limited information and one sided beat up stories, you slaughter these two people who are probably totally devastated by this regrettable and sad turn of events.
Everybody loses when a company goes under, there are no winners. Life is a risk, business is an even bigger risk and with hindsight I bet you will see these two people aren’t the arseholes you all make them out to be.
Its awesome to see you people who are so quick to get on the success bandwagon can so quickly turn into back stabbing, slandering, monsters with an eat-your-own children enthusiasm, all from the safety and comfort of your computer screens.
Back in the day when one of my brothers was in trouble, we all banded together and helped him out. What you are doing is exactly the opposite of that. What an uninspiring pack of people you are. This list of bleating broken hearted naysayers just proves that apathy, despondency and failure is alive and well in your once great nation. Lift yourselves above the grovelling and do some good you fuckers.
This story is one of many with quite a few similiar behavior issues by management, and not just in this industry, of course.
With all of that said… it makes guys like Donny Loos look pretty good, you know? Guys that just love to do it and build on so many levels, through thick or thin, no matter the muck being slung around them.
With my limited knowledge, I have never heard a shit word towards that guy. Kind of tells me something, you know?
Just sayin… next year I think I know where my dollars are going, come to think of it…
Thank you Olfart, for so eloquently expressing what I was trying in vain to get across.
Peace
To BBC , you have to know your limitations.
I”m thinking they soon will be trading stories with Rod Blogovich in prison about who is the most crooked and unethical. I hope the Feds find all their assets, property and equipment , have a big auction and distribute it to everyone they owe. Sounds like they ruined alot of people’s lives, shame on the Alsops.
Olfart…did you miss the part where they essentially stole money from people for bikes that will never be built?
Having been on the receiving end of this type of screwing from the previous owner of Supreme to the tune/cost of about 9 BBC choppers (if they’d actually been completed), I have nothing but contempt for people that do this kind of screwing. We survived by working our ass off doing damage control and standing behind our good word….BBC DID NOT.
Instead they’re off hiding and wondering where to go. They were savvy enough to ask for help on the Bloomberg bit, but not sensible enough to realize they were much deeper in it…to the point of no return.
That certainly doesn’t warrant taking from others in good faith, then bending them over.
I’ve never met Kevin or Mona, because I didn’t need to…heard enough about them from the previous owner and industry folks, and all the shenanigans that transpired with his machining and how he “acquired” his machinists…etc.
I don’t wish failure on anybody, but when you start STEALING from others….karma comes full circle.
Kevin and Mona Alsop. Refund the money given by clients who never got their motorcycles. I guess that at one time you were living large. You must have the money somewhere, right? Man up.
“You Mileage May Vary….”
Facts
- I ordered a GTX from them after Sturgis 2010.
- We settled on a fair price (way below list…sorry dealers, but I figure I can lift the silence now)
- Delivered right around 14 weeks to my door on the East Coast
- Had some problems with some drive train parts…BBC FEDExed replacements free
- Kevin called me say they had put the wrong speedo on…they shipped me a new one. Again Free.
- Headers cracked–exhaust misaligned. BBC Shipped me new ones. Yet again Free.
- I did all the maintenance and diagnosis myself
What I believe;
- We sometimes believe our own hype and think we can make a bad situation work. Anybody divorced out there?
- Ain’t no excuse for taking and keeping peoples cash when you can’t deliver…but you can fix that by returning the money or doing the time in the Pen.
- I got the LAST GTX!!!!! (At least it seems that way…)
I HEARD THEY TOOK MONEY FROM THE MARINES AND GIVE THEM AN INCOMPLETE BIKE HERE IN SAN DIEGO,CA. WHEN I HEARD, KEVIN SAID THAT YOU HAVE A COMPLETE BIKE AND ,THE BIKE WAS MISSING PARTS AND THEY WERE TAKEN OFF CUSTOMERS BIKES TO FUILL THE ORDER. BUT ALL THE PARTS ARE NOT ALL THERE TO BUILD A BIKE, NOT A GOOD WAY TO TREAT ARE WOUNDED WARROIR MARINES….W.T.F.
BBC website suspended for non-payment! Kind of ironic that there is a Big Bear Choppers model called Big Bear Bones. It was a sign of the destiny…
Hmm. If they have money or assets hidden somewhere it would not be in the US. If they were smart they would hide it in Australia or New Zealand. Uncle Sam can’t get ‘em down under.
Here’s something you probably don’t know, Kevin is probably just a US resident and still has his Aussie passport so he can piss off any time. Why would I say this? I am an Aussie with a green card, I lived in CA for many happy years but there was no way I’d ever give up my Australian citizenship and I’ve never met an Aussie who would. My money is on him coming back to OZ and starting over, probably in Sydney or within easy driving distance.
As far as people standing by their word, I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again because they are true to their word. You can take the word of Supreme Team to the bank. They also go the extra mile to make sure everything is right.
Well i don’t know what to say about all this.. my name is Jerry Waters and as have said before,, i am one of the people who paid up front for my bike… what a genius i am…. after 11 months of many excuses and lies i decided to take matters into my own hands….i went up to big bear and took my bike… or actually about a half of bike… i considered my self lucky that i got that much of a motorcycle…i got a lot more than a lot of people got..i took it to another builder and he told me it had a lot of wrong parts on it that simply won’t work… I thought i savaged about $15k worth of motorcycle, but i am still out about $20k… pretty tough on a man who lives on social security… so not only did they steal my money, but they did not even have the integrity to build what they built with the right parts….. i think the only reason they started my build is to have something to show on the television show presented by Bloomberg..oh well people… for some reason i am not even mad… i am just glad it is all over so i can move on…. they have to live with what they did to people, not me….i wish all of you well that are in the same boat…. Jerry….
Two things…
1) Regarding BBC. I watched the show on Bloomberg where Kevin said they were doing $18 million a year. He also said, if I remember right, that they need to sell 5 bikes a month to break even. That means they need around $200k a month to cover their bills. Now that may sound like a ton of money to us on here, but you can’t build an $18MM/yr business without spending big money. Rent, insurance, salaries, machine payments, etc. So when you drop below the threshold of 5 bikes/month and you don’t have enough profit to make ends meet.. it’s easy to say “well that’s when you go BK and close up shop”. But the owners always think everything will turn around, so they spend the last deposit to keep the doors open, but then they don’t have the money to buy the parts to make the bike… but then the next deposit comes, so they can build the bike for a guy from months ago, and keep the doors open longer.
I know it sounds like a scumbag thing to do, but most businesses are run this way – they don’t take the money and put it in a box and only spend it when they are buying something for that customers bike.
Now, if Kevin and Mona took money when they knew they were not going to be able to deliver anything – well, that’s shitty.
I will also add that I never did business with Kevin personally. I met him at the V-Twin show and he came over to me like an arrogant asshole, so I passed on by.
2) I’ve also met Rick Fairless and he is a class act all the way from what I have seen and know. Haven’t done any business with him yet but I would in a heartbeat. He is a businessman first and foremost, and for a businessman like myself, nothing could make me happier – I like dealing with businessmen.
Funny that the numbers they stated (not verified) in February 2011 were far from from $18 million.
Read this, but I think it is also BS numbers from the Alsop’s. Case study my ass. Failure.
http://www.cmtc.com/cmtc-case-studies/big-bear-choppers/
In the same article, also notice Kevin Alsop statement in February 2011. Complete BS. They went to borrow $100,000 more in April.
“”This program helped us put forth a more strategic action plan. These improvements allowed us to save jobs and promote growth.” Kevin Alsop, Owner Big Bear Choppers
What’s going on with the New Big Bear Choppers Perris shop located at 29511 State Highway 74, also known as Ortega Highway.
Did they move most of their Bog Bear Choppers equipment there and paint booths along with motorcycle inventory, too?
Boss Hawg
“A repair shop is essential because there’s a spike in riders fixing up the motorcycles they own,’’ said Mona Alsop. “This new location means motorcycles will get fixed up and on the road faster.”
Please give us an update on this facility Mona.
Boss Hawg
Why BOSS HAWG?
What is wrong with you people?
A friggin witch hunt is all this is, and a disgrace to our culture and our country.
Seems to me Kevin tried to make it work, even when the writing was on the wall.
I dont know where all the bikers went, but none of them are on this site.
GOOD RIDDANCE!
FrankenBagger…
Obviously you like to look at things with a blind eye and haven’t gotten to know the Alsops various choices of managing or maybe mismanaging some of their business activities in this industry. When you do, please let us all know.
Based on my readings and those of a majority of others, yes they should be hung out to dry by their toes and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law….
However, you may choose like others have stated herein along with Judy Bowers reports from the Big Bear Grizzly and send them a deposit or payment in full yourself ..Whaddayathink?
Therefore, do us a favor, STFU and move on! To quote you…Good Riddance!
Boss Hawg
FrankenBagger. It’s simple. clients of BBC are hunting for their bikes…or their money back.
Hi Rich…
Thanks for making simple for FrankenBagger.
Boss Hawg
QUESTION:
Given the amount of bad publicity & obvious notoriety, why were there SO MANY people still putting in deposits, & worse, paying full amounts on BBC bikes? A month before this week was the last deposit? Anyone tell me why???
Second question: NOT to defend anyone, but do these customers bear (no pun) ANY responsibility to their impending financial loss?
Apparently because it was promised to them to get their bikes very fast (before the ones ordered by other clients way before) if they paid in full in advance. It seems that non US buyers were also required to pay in full. Only BBC has responsibility for the loss of funds because these funds could not be used by BBC for other than building these bikes.
It would appear to me that Boss Hawgs business is really slow, and he is hoping to benefit from someones loss. Hummmmm Isn’t that what everyone one is complaining about here?
Did YOU lose money Boss Hawg? Well then, you dont have a dog in this fight.
To the customers who sent 38,000 up front, AFTER hearing the news of BBC’s struggle. DUHHHH!!!
And to the people who are wondering when the money may be returned, I am sure any assets, if there are any, are frozen until this is resolved.
Also, if a dealer orders 5, 10, 20 bikes per contract, and those bikes built and paid for by BBC. Then these bikes are sent back to factory, isn’t that also similar?
In this economy any one of us could be next on the chopping block. Maybe think about that for a minute.
Evil breeds evil.
-BOSS HAWG-
If I wanted another bike, and was considering a BBC. I sure as hell would not send ANYONE a payment in full. LOL. I am sure I could find a really good deal on CL right about now.
You are an idiot. AND you have made a fool of yourself acting like a grade school hall monitor.
Shameful that folks would attempt to blame customers left out in the cold for the actions of the merchant that left them there. If any of you folks ever order something and get sent a brick then I guess it’s your own fault? Snakeoil asked, “Given the amount of bad publicity & obvious notoriety, why were there SO MANY people still putting in deposits, & worse, paying full amounts on BBC bikes?” and I would guess maybe it’s because there wasn’t neccesarily all that info out there for some folks to know. I’m sure it wasn’t mentioned on the Big Bear website
and the company had been around long enough that some folks would possibly have though that indicated solvency. Apparently the Bloomberg show producers were not aware of the apparent “real situation” either?
Ariel Dakin…
You have no idea what I do and I would suggest you leave at that. I have a 7 figure retail business that is just fine and I am a licensed motorcycle manufacturer…nuff said for your obvious ignorance.
FrankenBagger…
See you are a man of your word…C Ya.
Boss Hawg
BOSS HAWG
And you have no idea what I do. NOW WHAT!
Your crap does not impress me.
Ariel…like others, you chose to write about me. And as expected, your previous posts to others are unwarranted and without merit.
I personally don’t give a rats ass what you do or write, but I do know that I have better things to do than respond to your frivolous conjectures…enjoy and write all you wish.
Boss Hawg
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No Boss, I choose to write about my opinion, just like the rest of the folks here.
However, bashing people when they are down is, and I quote you, “unwarranted and without merit”.
Funny you should mention conjectures…… perhaps you need to go back and read your posts.
Glad business is so good for you. Better hang on to your panties. EVERYONE in this industry is in for a hell of a bumpy ride. Bashing and kicking people when they are down will not improve the situation. Maybe you could be the bigger man, and offer some help to BBCs customers who feel left in the cold. HAS ANYONE CONSIDERED THAT?
Kevin, Mona and their children are suffering now. Does that make anyone who lost money get that money back? It is just pathetic to me.
He tried to make things work. Sometimes no matter how hard you try the battle cant be won. AND on top of that, his “brothers” in the industry are out here stabbing his wife and kids in the back. Disgraceful.
Is anyone here even capable of walking a mile in another shoes? yeah…. didnt think so.
Merry Christmas all.
Cyril, It may be as you have written. But then they just may have pushed the dream too far. I don’t take them as stupid. I believe they are smart enough to know not to push prison time. Or huge personal law suits. I’m sure they have a law firm for advise. I’d like to think anyways.
Ariel,
I wonder how “sorry” or how much sympathy you would have for poor Kevin, Mona and family if Kevin and Mona had committed a bank robbery or worse yet they were some fat cat wall streeters? Not so much huh? In case you haven’t been paying attention here, these people have defrauded thousands upon thousands of dollars out of well intended customers. These people are thieves and liars just as much so as if they had robbed a bank. The only exception is that the bank robbers will have the balls to come full face forward into the bank and declare it is a robbery unlike these snakes. I have no doubt that the FBI Field Office in LA is looking at this matter with great glee!
Boss and everyone else, who have had the misfortune of being screwed by these snakes, stay on their ass and don’t let up! Today is the day that what goes around comes around!
There, now that is my opinion!
Boss Hawg, what’s the URL to your website so I can check out your bikes?
Ariel and some others can see past the bullshit. The rest of you are just haters. Anyone out there ever been bankrupt??? I have, and it was the hardest thing I ever did. Probably would of killed myself if I didn’t. Those of you picking on my wife ” Kevs Sista ” you can all fuck off. Don’t know Kevin that well, don’t even ride a chopper ( I have a Honda ) but you fuckers have no idea. I could say a lot more, I am angry.
Rather Be An Aussie. You say that you don’t know Kevin that well, don’t even ride a chopper. So, shut up.
@GetYoHeadOutofYoAss
You don’t know what I may have lost.
How do you know I am not a customer or a dealer?
I can see with my 2 eyes that Kevin tried to make this work to the bitter end. It was his dream, and a good one I might add. My Athena is the coolest, most well built custom bike I have ever owned.
I have EMPATHY for the man and his family. I FEEL his pain for this loss of his dream. I also feel for the people who have lost money, especially these days when there is so little money to be lost. But none of that is an excuse for the wickedness.
NONE OF US KNOW the whole story.
There were many circumstances that led to this end, and anyone in business knows how this can happen, or at least they should. It is like a house of cards.
Its the vicious, negativity that disturbs me so. (dead pigs in their front yard…come on) (colleagues kicking him when he is down)
If this is how people are going to handle it when the next bike builder falls, then we are all in trouble.
It really sucks, how this all went down, and maybe he should have gotten out sooner. I do applaud him for being tenacious and not just quitting, but he will pay the price for that decision, but it was HIS decision.
Attacking Kevin and his family is just UNAMERICAN and UNBIKER.
Where would we be if we were all gutless and unwilling to take a risk? This country was built by peoples ingenuity and brawn.
We have to stick together and pull ourselves out of the muck. Otherwise it is all a lost cause.
Perhaps there are some shops that could benefit from the displaced BBC customers. Maybe WE could turn this around a little instead of exasperating the B.S. Sounds like a win win to me.
Even without the frame thing, I think they would have folded thanks to our capitalist country and the greed of a few.
I think at this point, anybody still posting in reply other than their first post, has pretty much seen/read, all that can be said about BBC going out of business. Whether you “empathize” with them, hate them, give a rats ass about them…whatever…they’re gone, they’ve screwed some people, they’ve OBVIOUSLY pissed a lot of people off, and nobody cares either way, except that they should pay back folks that they’ve screwed and be prosecuted if they have not. Having a pissing contest between one another and trying to win the swinging dick contest by cutting another guy down isn’t going to fix BBC’s mess….doesn’t matter how you look at it, or which side you are on…they got what they deserved by not making smart moves.
The “supposed” sista and brotha…nobody cares what you think of anybody on here. It’s foolish to come on here and defend somebody who has obviously pushed the wrong buttons across the industry and has screwed common folks out of their hard earned money. Nobody’s calling Aussies bad folks…just Kevin…don’t take it too personal. Aussies are some of my best customers and awful nice people to deal with and bullshit with…but Kevin’s pissed off the wrong people and it was an easy stab…take it for what it’s worth and nothing more.
Again, nobody wants to see any honest, hard working company fail in this industry, but when you screw folks, everybody’s happy to see you go.
@Boss Hawg, Sir, for a man who claims to have a “7 figure retail business” your kind of stepping out of your class arguing on a blog. I don’t know you and I’m not attacking you. It just seems to me that your better then this.
Call me what you want, I own a BBC, its a good running bike. I’m not a big fan of the way they handled the recall. I’m local to BBC, I don’t know anything about them closing the doors and screwing customers other then what I have read.
PanMan: What the fuck are you talking about?
Ariel Dakin, just curious what color is the sky in your world?
@Chuy
As long as its opposite the color in your world, I’m good.
I want to say one thing—that is Rick Fairless ia one top knotch guy. Our motorcycling industry would probably be on a much sounder footing if there were more around like him! More power to you Rick.
Having done business with Big Bear Choppers for a year or so, i think I can voice an accurate opinion about this lousy situation… it is simple, they are quilty of bilking, fraud, misrepresentation of funds, misappropriation of funds, as well as breach of contract and employing a ponzi scheme and using faulty parts… they now think they are going to hide under the guise of bankruptcy… not according to my lawyer…i dealt with them for a long time and Kevin and Mono had there employees lie to me everyday… Kevin and Mono spoke to me once in a year… then they lied to me to… no remorse about the situation, no apology… nothing….there customer service is non existent… they chose not to do customer builds long before they were going broke…. all in all it was the worst year of my life.. I walked away with nothing and i am glad it is over… i no longer have to live lie to lie…. i don’t see how they won’t go to jail except for the fact that people who break the law seem to know how to use it to their advantage… the only thing i have going for me is that there are just to many people out there with the same story and the same outcome…. by the way Boss Hawg… Big Bear never had a paint shop…. they had someone else do it… he is not only a really good painter, but he is a really good guy… Kevin stuck him to for about $20k to.. he also stuck a local Big Bear attorney for about $48k.. seems to have been his mo for a long time…
Wow Ive been reading all these post ond others on other websites and it seems to have everyone taking sides. I own a 2007 prostreet sled 300 and a 2004 big dog mastiff. I love both my bikes and have had no problems. I read about the bad weld issue and went ahead with the purchase as i felt the problem had been fixed. All is good here but i do have to say that i feel its bad karma to take the money and run if that is indeed the case. I hope anyone who lost money with bbc gets it back even if Arien feels these people had it coming. I also hope that if they come back building bike that they have a better business sense about things. It sure is easy to get caught up in the limelight. I plan on riding my bike for quite a while and would recommend a bear to anyone.
ok after watching this shit unfold I gotta speak up. I was I am sorry to say stupid enough to purchase a BBC. in february I paid cash and was also told 10-12 weeks around june Kevin and that worm mike forbes were sayin just another week which i knew was bullshit. needless to say I let them know I would be seein them personally soon. long story short after callin some of my brothers in cali I recieved bike soon after.10-12 weeks was 26 weeks. Kevins a liar forbes is a liar mona is a liar and with these 3 running a company it is amazing bbc lasted as long as it did. while my bike is actually the way i ordered and i do love it I feel for those who will never see anything from them. They knew all along what they were doing and it will come back to them
To All Those Who Have Been Defrauded. These Law Enforcement Agencies Are Waiting To Hear From You.
FBI Los Angeles
11000 Wilshire Boulevard
Suite 1700
Los Angeles, CA 90024
Phone: (310) 477-6565
Fax: (310 996-3359
Hours
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United States Department of Justice
The United States Attorney’s Office
Central District of California
Criminal Division
312 North Spring Street
Los Angeles, California 90012
Assistant United States Attorney Robert Dugdale
(213) 894-4685
San Bernardino County District Attorney’s Office
316 N Mt View Ave
San Bernardino, CA 92415-0004
Phone: 909-387-8309
Email: da@sbcda.org
These agencies live for this kind of shit. Do the crime…serve the time.
Now it is up to you to get the pimples off the ass of the industry.
Boss Hawg
Jodie Foster’s estranged dad sentenced in scam
AP – Fri, Dec 9, 2011
LOS ANGELES (AP) — A judge has sentenced Jodie Foster’s estranged father to five years in a Los Angeles jail for bilking more than $100,000 from poor and elderly people in a home-building scheme.
The 89-year-old Foster was convicted of taking $5,000 each from people for whom he promised to build affordable homes made from cargo containers. The units were never built, and prosecutors said he lied to clients.
Does have any similarities to those of you that have been scammed and defrauded?
Boss Hawg
Mont. man gets 25 years prison for investment scam
AP – Tuesday, Dec13, 2011
RENO, Nev. (AP) — A Montana man convicted of running an investment scam on the Internet was sentenced Tuesday to 25 years in federal prison and ordered to pay $13.2 million in restitution to more than 1,400 investors.
U.S. District Judge Larry Hicks in Reno told Rick Young, 52, of Lewistown, that the fraud carried out by his Nevada-based Global One Group from 2006 to 2007 was “incredibly repulsive.”
Many of the victims, the judge said, were vulnerable, “middle-class working people taking money out of accounts, trading out of their 401(k) plans, their pension plans, even off of their credit cards.”
“Frankly, it was nothing more than a type of Ponzi scheme, but it was incredibly sophisticated,” he said. Judge Hicks said that he had to give Young credit for one thing — his “smooth” sales techniques on his webcasts. “It’s the court’s view the defendant obviously was impressed with his own skills in salesmanship that he could tell his story to the jury just as successfully,” he said.
He said Young may have begun with some good intentions but “got carried away” in a “snowball” of greed. “By the time it was at the bottom of the hill, he was so deeply mired in the fraud of these people that this court finds it, frankly, incredibly repulsive,” he said.
Does this one have any similarities to those of you that have been scammed and defrauded?
Boss Hawg
I AM JUST AN AVERAGE JOE WORKING MAN, SOLD MY TWO BIKES IN ORDER TO GET MY DREAM BIKE ( BEAR BONES)I WAS TOLD BY MIKE FORBES, AND MIKE THE GREEK IN ORDER FOR ME TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING MY BIKE TOGETHER THEY NEEDED 10,000 DOLLARS FOR A DEPOSIT.I WIRED $10,000 ON 11/14/11, AND WAS IN CONTACT WITH BOTH MIKES WITH E-MAIL, AND PHONE CALLS ON MY BUILD WITH NO INDICATION OF ANY PROBLEMS,AND WAS TOLD I WOULD RECIEVE MY BUILD IN 3-4 MONTHS.THE PHONE CALLS AND E-MAILS ENDED 9 DAYS LATER (11/23/11, I WAS FINALLY IN CONTACT WITH THERE LAWYER AND WAS TOLD OF CHAPTER 7 FILING IN MID JAN.MY HEART DROPPED.$10,000 IS ALOT OF MONEY TO ME,AND ALL I WANT IS MY DEPOSIT BACK.BE A MAN KEVIN AND TAKE CARE OF US AVERAGE JOE’S FIRST.IF NOT IT WILL COME BACK TO HAUNT YOU ALL, DO THE RIGHT THING AND TAKE CARE OF US WHO MADE YOUR BUSINESS. JIM kREIZINGER
@ golfish
Thanks Brother. I am just real people, however, I am semi-retired with various business interests that afford me a quality of life above most others. I have lots and lots and lots of time on my hands and cannot think of two more deserving people that are overdue what is coming to them other than Kevin and Mona Alsop along with certain employees who have done these alleged injustices to other fellow brothers and motorcycle enthusiasts.
I am pleased you enjoy motorcycle. Obviously lots of others would to if their orders had been fulfilled as promised and funded.
I listed the Law Enforcement Agencies having jurisdiction above for those interested in where to go and who to contact if they have been defrauded .
Boss Hawg
@ Jim Kreizinger
YOU SHOULD NOT BE LISTENING THE BBC LAWYER…FYI if they are the same law firm, it is Mona’s family/brother!
You better contact those numbers I listed immediately above for the FBI, DOJ, and Local DA…IT IS CALLED WIRE FRAUD IN YOUR CASE!
Try to ensure you have secured collateral before it is distributed and lien everything possible with a judgement and FI FA including any patents, trademarks, registrations, model manes etc….
Good Luck Brother!
Boss Hawg
Ok I ‘ve been reading Cyrils site from almost the beginning and i’ve never felt the need to post anything on here before but I just can’t resist this time! My question is simple and it is to you Ariel and that is when
all the dust settles and if it is found that Kevin and whoever else is guilty of fraud and a host of other things are you going to admit you were wrong and apoligise to to the people who were on this site with
all the negative comments that turned out to be true? Also to be fair I’ll put it out to all the “haters” as
well. My personal bet is that he is going to be guilty of more than just being a bad businessman because
a good businessman that has integrity knows when to close so that he does’nt screw everyone and
take them down with him .IMO
With this many posts,i’m surprised that no one from BBC(or their counsel) has responded…………………..
Boss Hawg
My hat goes off to you for all of the helpful information you’ve given. Just think a couple of months back Kevin was on this blog saying F the haters. Well Kev it seems YOU have ALOT. Your day will come in court, and your wife’s little brother won’t be able to help the both of you. It’s called EVIDENCE and the prosecutor is going to have a field day ( here in the United States of America it means fun ) with you both. Cutting your hair and trimmin the beard doesn’t work when you go before a judge. Scoot over Chip ( Midwest ) Kevins on his way to spend some time. You will get what you have coming to you, and it’s called JAIL TIME.
Ah shucks…I left the local Sheriff out, but here it is:
Station Name: Big Bear Lake Sheriff Dept
Contact Name: Greg Garland or Shift Sergeant/Lieutenant
Contact Number: (909) 866-0100
Mailing Address: PO Box 2803 Big Bear Lake 92315
Physical Address 477 Summit Blvd, Big Bear Lake 92315 CA
Now they can tell you just exactly what’s going on up at Big Bear Lake if you are interested.
Boss Hawg
What a bunch of whining little girls. Guess you should have done your research before you sent your money out to the abyss. What fools. Now you cry?
Guess you should have paid your bills instead of trying to buy a mc that was way over your head.
Where I’m from snitches and cry babies end up in the river.
A business failed. How is that fraud?
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This firm knows BBC well and has secured a judgement against BBC. Call them.
Boss Hawg
After reading the story of Jim Kreizinger whose $10,000 deposit for a bike were stolen, I want to make these remarks. 1. Jim wired money to BBC on November 14 for delivery of his bike 12 weeks later. BBC closed about 1 week later. What kind of businessman takes deposits 1 week before closing? The Alsop’s didn’t know they would close? Come on! 2. It will be interesting to know where the $10,000 went after being received on BBC account. Did the Alsop’s take out the money in cash, wire it to a personal bank account? In the US? Abroad? Same question for all deposits. How much the Alsop’s paid themselves at the time they were receiving deposits and not building these bikes? 3. The IRS could be involved, too both on the corporate and personal sides! 4. What kind of attorney talks to BBC’s clients to tell them in advance that he is going to file for chapter 7 about 6 weeks before it happens? What was his intention? To discourage scammed clients to do anything to get back their deposits? Telling them, too late you are out of luck? Now, I read above that their attorney is Mona’s brother! Sound suspicious to me. Should this attorney be investigated? 5- Who was the accountant, bookkeeper of BBC? How deposits were entered in the books if they were? Why wait at least 6 weeks to file for bankruptcy? To organize the removal/disparition of corporate assets that creditors could claim in compensation of their deposits? Everything sound strange to me,
Dated October 10, 2010
QUOTE ”
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that judgment be entered in favor of plaintiff, TEXTRON FINANCIAL CORPORATION,
and against defendants,
BIG BEAR AMERICAN MADE CHOPPERS, INC., KEVIN ALSOP, and MONA ALSOP,
jointly and severally,
in the principal sum of $792,504.66, interest at the rate of 10% per annum in the sum of $86,422.08, court costs in the sum of $846.25, and attorneys’ fees in the sum of $29,967.00, for a total judgment in the sum of $909,739.99, together with interest on the total judgment at the rate of 10% from the date of entry of judgment until judgment is paid in full.
Dated: October 14, 2010
JOSEPHINE STATON TUCKER .
HON. JOSEPHINE STATON TUCKER
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT JUDGE”
END QUOTE
Has TEXTRON been paid? WOW…that’s a lot of money!
Just saying, based on my readings it seems like almost immediately thereafter, January 2011, the alleged deposits for orders were not being fulfilled as has been stated herein and and on other blogs and media sources. Does anybody know if this is where their alleged financial issues started?
Boss Hawg
HELLO EVERYONE,
I HAVE BEEN ON THIS WEBSITE AWHILE BACK…. IN DOING SO I TOLD MY STORY OF BEING TAKEN FOR $33,500.00 BY THE ALSOPS… I GUESS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS WHY DO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PART OF THIS SITUATION THINK THAT THE REST OF US WHO ARE PART OF THE SITUATION ARE JUST HATERS… DO YOU THINK IT IS RIGHT OF THE ALSOPS TO WILLFULLY TAKE MINE AND A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY KNOWING IN THEIR BLACK HEARTS THAT THEY NEVER INTENDED ON GIVING US ANYTHING FOR IT? FORGET MY STORY ON THIS SITE…. FORGET EVERYONE ELSE’S STORY… READ JIM KREIZINGERS … HE GAVE THE ALSOPS $10K AND THEY CLOSED THEIR DOORS JUST A FEW DAYS AFTER … JIM TO WAS GIVEN BROKEN PROMISES LIKE THE REST OF US… SO IF THE ALSOPS HAD INTENDED TO BUILD ANY BIKES OR REFUND ANY MONIES, WHY WOULD THEY TAKE JIM’S MONEY WHEN THEY KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO CLOSE THE DOORS JUST AFTER THEY HUNG UP THE PHONE…SO, WE ARE CALLED HATERS.. THAT IS A MYSTERY TO ME… I DON’T HEAR HATE…. JUST COLD HARD FACTS…. LIKE I HAVE SAID BEFORE, I DON’T THINK ANY OF US WILL SEE ANYTHING, BUT WE ALL DO HOPE THAT THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM DOES IT’S JOB AND GETS THESE PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS… ALL OF US INVOLVED, AND I MEAN INVOLVED, NEED TO BAND TOGETHER…. THE COPS WILL FINALLY LISTEN… ONE LAST NOTE… THANKS TO BOSS HAWG FOR THE INFO…. HOWVER, YOU DO HAVE TO BEGIN WITH DETECTIVE MEREDITH OF BIG BEAR… HIS NUMBER IS 909 866 0100… YOU WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO LEAVE A MESSAGE ON HIS VOICE MAIL… IT STARTS THERE….. IT WILL BE A LONG PROCESS… BUT IN THE END JUSTICE SHOULD BE SERVED…. THE ONLY THING IS THIS, PEOPLE WHO BREAK THE LAW ALWAYS SEEM TO KNOW HOW IT WORKS AND ARE ABLE TO USE IT TO THEIR ADVANTAGE THE REST OF US DON’T…. THE ALSOPS KNOW ALL ABOUT THAT. JER
sounds like ppl were screwed. But before all facts are in, it also sounds like you are play judge and jury and executioner. This country has a thing called a fair trial. Alsops have rights too. Remember that.
How come BBC got a new $100,000 loan in April with an unpaid judgment of $792,000 in January??? They are very good business people at Big Bear Lake Small Business Administration. You just lost $100,000 at the expense of the taxpayers. What a shame!
@ JERRY
My apologies Brother…I feel for ya. I re-posted to make DETECTIVE MEREDITH’S # so as it can be clearly seen
CONTACT DETECTIVE MEREDITH OF BIG BEAR REGARDING ISSUES WITH BIG BEAR CHOPPERS AND KEVIN AND MONA ALSOP…
TELEPHONE DETECTIVE MEREDITH @ 909 866 0100…
At the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department and the city of Big Bear Lake
Boss Hawg
The presumption of innocence, sometimes referred to by the Latin expression Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat, is the principle that one is considered innocent until proven guilty. Application of this principle is a legal right of the accused in a criminal trial, recognised in many nations. The burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which has to collect and present enough compelling evidence to convince the trier of fact, who is restrained and ordered by law to consider only actual evidence and testimony that is legally admissible, and in most cases lawfully obtained, that the accused is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If reasonable doubt remains, the accused is to be acquitted.
Sixth Amendment – Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
No where, other than this site, has mentioned ppl being “ripped off”
Not the Griz, not the county attorney.
Remember what country you live in. Hear say is all this is. Bullshit and hear say. Just because you haven’t received your bike on the date you expected it, does not mean you were ripped off.
THIS IS STILL THE USA.
THIS WILL BE MY LAST COMMENT ABOUT THE BIG BEAR SITUATION…. I DID GET PART OF A BIKE…. ONLY AFTER MAKING ONE HECT OF A LOT OF NOISE….IT TOOK ME THREE TRIPS TO BIG BEAR IN 6 DAYS TO GET IT DONE, BUT I DID…. TOUGH ON A GUY 70 YEARS OLD WHO SAVED HIS MONEY FOR YEARS TO GET THE LAST BIKE HE WAS EVER GOING TO RIDE…I WAS SENT A PICTURE OF WHAT WAS THERE.. IT WAS A FRAME, A FRONT END , HANDLE BARS, A 124MOTOR, A COIL, A BAKER SIX SPEED, WHEELS , HAND CONTROLS, FORWARD CONTROLS AND THE BIKE WAS WIRED… WOW!!1 I CONSIDERED MYSELF LUCKY THAT I WAS GOING TO GET THAT…IT WAS TO BE ABOUT $20K OF MY $33, 565.00 INVESTMENT.. I TOLD KEVIN IF I GOT ALL THAT, I WAS WILLING TO FORGOT ABOUT THE REST OF MY INVESTMENT AND HE WOULD NEVER HEAR FROM ME AGAIN… I DID TELL HIM I WOULD NEED TO KNOW THE HAVE OF THE MAMES OF VENDORS FOR PARTS…HOWEVER, WHEN I GOT THERE, THE FRONT END WAS BROKEN, THE COIL WAS MISSING FROM THE 124, THE DRIVE PULLY HAD BEEN REMOVED FROM THE BAKER, THE HAND CONTROLS WERE NOT COMPLETE… IT HAD DIFFERENT PEGS AND GRIPS THAN I HAD ORDERED,,, THE PRIMARY WAS GONE AND MY VERY EXPENSIVE CHROME WHEELS WERE GONE…PLUS I GOT NO LIST OF VENDORS TO GET THE REST OF THE PARTS….WHEN I CONFRONTED HIM ON IT I WAS TOLD BY KEVIN THAT THE ONLY REASON I WAS GETTING ANYTHING IS BECAUSE I WAS A WHACKO… ALL IN ALL I GOT BACK ABOUT $12K OF MY INVESTMENT….SO KEVIN THIS IS TO YOU.. YOU WEREN’T JUST HAPPY TO TAKE MOST OF MY MONEY, BUT YOU DID NOT GIVE ME THE PARTS THAT WERE IN THAT PICTURE… SO FOR THAT… I AM GOING BACK ON MY WORD, AS YOU DID SO MANY TIMES, AND I AM NOT GOING TO FORGET ABOUT THE WHOLE THING…SHOULD HAVE GIVEN ME THEN PARTS I WAS PROMISED… YOU STILL WOULD HAVE MADE ABOUT $$15K OFF OF ME… SO I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY WITH MAKING THE EXTRA $21 OFF OF ME… HOWEVER, I TOLD YOU I WAS CONNECTED… SO THAT EXRA $6K IS GOING TO COST YOU ALOT…. JER
@ Chuck….
Your posting sounds reasonable to me…
Maybe you want to assist with getting the alleged wrongdoings/defrauded information that people are posting on many websites and in newspapers investigated to assist the various Law Enforcement Agencies posted herein with their investigation…come on what do you say…wanna help or not?
Alternatively, maybe you are an attorney licensed to practice and would offer your services Pro-Bono to all of the alleged victims posting herein? Or is it a conflict of interest, Chuck?
Boss Hawg
Business is business. Kevin was not running his business according to your rules.
You stupid people are going to be sure he gets acquitted because he cant get a fair trial. Because you cant stop running your mouths.
Just about as stupid as sending 30,000.00 with out any research.
“CONNECTED” laughable is all I can say to that.
I have yet to see anything solid to back up these accusations. Strictly hearsay is all I see.
Phoney names, fudged figures…..
The defense will have an easy win. And you people running your mouths will only have yourselves to blame.
@ Chuck…
First off you chime in quoting law and the constitution?
Then you flip on us quoting “Kevin was not running his business according to your rules.” Enlighten us all please….what rules are you writing about now or are Kevin’s rules law?
I think most writing here, with the exception of a few like you, are concerned with alleged Mail Fraud, alleged Wire Fraud and alleged Banking Fraud and just fraud in general.
Tell us your thoughts please….How would you feel if a company failed to produce what you paid for or paid deposits or paid in full….come on Chuck tell us how you would act and react please?
Boss Hawg
@Hawg “Maybe you want to assist with getting the alleged wrongdoings/defrauded information that people are posting on many websites and in newspapers investigated to assist the various Law Enforcement Agencies posted herein with their investigation…come on what do you say…wanna help or not?”
Negative. You seem to be doing a decent job all on your own in that regard. You are helping us a lot. Please keep it up, and then these people will know to thank you personally, AFTER Kevin wins.
Accusations come from those who are victims. Don’t know how to read the comments above?
“Just because you haven’t received your bike on the date you expected it, does not mean you were ripped off.” Chuck, there is no expected date. You understand? Deposits are trust funds belonging to clients. They should not disappear when the bike is not built and completed. Understand the law?
@ Chuck…
You say I am quote “helping us a lot.”
I must ask are you indeed Big Bear Choppers attorney/representative or Mona and Kevin’s attorney or an investigator?
Please define “helping us a lot”
Boss Hawg
That is not YOUR concern, now is it.
@ Chuck,
If I have posted something quote “slanderous and a deformation of character” as you say, please point it out to me.
And Chuck, Let it be known that I will be the first to publicly apologize to any and all here and hereby retract any statements posted that I have read and re-posted that are non-factual.
Boss Hawg
After the damage has been done? Somehow I think that just won’t work.
THIS IS STILL THE USA
Apologies and retractions are never to late if a mistake has been made.
Boss Hawg
I would suggest that anyone who believes they have been wronged by the Alsop’s should contact EACH of the law enforcement agencies that Boss has listed above and provide said agencies with whatever statements and/or evidence they may have to those agencies. Then let law enforcement sort out whether a crime or crimes has/have been perpetrated by the Alsop’s. Until someone formally files a complaint this issue may never be resolved and the” he said – she said” will continue.
Sounds to me like Chuck is that idiot that “hears” the accident outside, then goes running out to tell the police he “saw everything”.
Chuck, go back to bed. You’re an idiot, you can’t spell, and the quotes from the legal websites can be cut and paste off a 3 second google search.
“You stupid people are going to be sure he gets acquitted because he cant get a fair trial. Because you cant stop running your mouths.
Just about as stupid as sending 30,000.00 with out any research.”
Sounds pretty professional. Actually sounds as if you have nothing better to do, or you may be partially retarded, and you’re probably sitting in front of your PC with a Pabst and a donut, trying to sound cool and informed..
Had you any understanding of the law, a blog could not determine fraud one way or another and would have no bearing upon the outcome of a case unless Kevin or Mona were directly involved in correspondence on the blog.
Now go back to your Pabst and get those crumbs off of your gut before you put your Affliction shirt on , cool guy.
Thanks for all your Advise folks, I am going to follow up with the law, and hopefully get some or all of my deposit back, lets all get together on this, Thanks again for your info Boss.People like you are alot of help for the regular people who can’t afford an Attorney. Jim Kreizinger.
Wish I did some research before getting a used 07 bbc sled w 4k miles. Anyone know where I can get parts for it? I’m looking for a replacement license plate frame.
the industry went for shit in 07-08 and guys in 2011 are still wiring guys $$$ for bikes WTF
and get sucked in by the 3-4 months to build a bike that can be assembled in 72 hours or less??
i have FULL empathy for all these people/buyers but “Com on MAN” its 2011 we have the net & web and places like this ……do your research
i hate to say it but but on most days and 9 out of ten times a harley is the best and cheapest way to enjoy a motorcycle
BBC was all smoke and mirrors from day 1 ……….selling basic 10k CCi kit bikes for 15 k as their own kit bikes
when your as neurotic as they were about people fucking them over you just know they were fucking people over all along
past behaviour is always a good indicator of future behavior
try ebay, that’s where i find my ironhorse parts
I think another poster’s comments were correct in saying that the failure of the troublemakers in the industry will hurt at first but will only make the industry stronger in the end. If the Alsops are as horrible as everyone says they are then i hope the book is thrown at them …. and then picked up again to beat the livinig hell out of them. If it isnt the case though then they should have realized that their dealing toward the end look REALLY shady…. stupidity at its finest… but people under stress do stupid things…
Another flash in the pan! And from what I hear they owe S&S 60K….not good!
1550tc …… if you can build a bike in 72 hours I need to hire you! Damn, you have been watching too much OCC!
Over & Out,
Jeff
F.Y.I. for anyone else besides myself that was scammed by, B.B.C. contact Det.Meridith of S.B. Sherriff Office, They are meeting with the D.A. Thursday 12/15/11.Tel.#909-866-0100
HEY JIM,
THAT’S GOOD NEWS… IF THE DETECTIVE IS MEETING WITH THE D.A.. IT MAY MEAN HE HAS SOMETHING TO GO AFTER THEM FOR…. JUST SO YOU KNOW, ABOUT 70 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SCAMMED… I AM ONE OF THE FOUR THAT HAS LOST OVER $115K BETWEEN US…. MINE STARTED ALL THE WAY BACK IN JANUARY….. THE OTHERS PROBLEMS STARTED IN APRIL AND MAY…I DID CALL DETECTIVE MEREDITH THIS MORNING AND TOLD HIM ABOUT YOUR SITUATION….. I THINK HE ALREADY KNEW THOUGH….I FILED A REPORT WITH HIM ABOUT A MONTH AGO… I GUESS HE HAS SO MANY COMPLAINTS NOW THAT SOMETHING IS FINALLY BEING DONE….ALL IN ALL I THINK YOU HAVE THE BEST CRIMINAL CASE AGAINST THEM BECAUSE THEY TOOK YOUR MONEY JUST WHEN THE CLOSED THE DOOR…MEANING THEY REALLY HAD NO INTENSION OF GIVING YOU A BIKE… I WAS UP THERE AT THE TIME THEY WERE CLOSING THE DOORS AND MONA AND THREE OTHER GUYS WERE LOADING A TRUCK… THEY CLOSED THEIR DOORS THE WEEK BEFORE THANKSGIVING AND THEY LET THE ENTIRE STAFF GO AT THAT TIME… IF YOU GAVE YOUR ORDER TO KEVIN THAT WOULD BE GREAT…. HE WILL HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN THE ACT… IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME IF YOU GOT YOUR MONEY BACK BECAUSE OF THAT, SO HE CAN PROTECT HIS OWN HIDE….. BUT I THINK YOU WILL BE JUST ABOUT THE ONLY ONE THAT DOES GET THEIR MONEY BACK…. GOOD LUCK… KEEP ME POSTED AND I WILL DO THE SAME FOR YOU…. JER
Thanks Jerry,Will keep you posted,You do the same, Good luck Bro. Jim
I’ve read everything posted about this to date and feel for the good hard working folks that may never see their money! I’ve worked in the industry for over 15 years, I’ve personally dealt with both Kevin and Mona in my roles within the industry. The most interaction came in the form of working for a distirbutor that handled some parts and their bike kits (I’m sure you can figure out who it was), I can personally tell you these two people deserve everything they get, to this day I have NEVER met anyone quite like them. Unfortunately the person we had dealing with them was so enamored with Kevin that we were upside down on the deal the whole time. Kevin even went as far as trying to get a good friend of mine fired over a minor dispute. I have ZERO doubt in my mind they intended to take the money and run. I’m sure they still live in their house paid for with “dirty” money and have no remorse for any of it. It is not about anything other than the two of them being low lifes (I’m being nice here) jail would be to nice for them!
Boss Hawg stay with it you are doing the right thing I believe you KNOW what I KNOW.
Later
@ Jim Kreizinger
Please keep us posted. It would be great if they nail these folks to the cross like Mid-West Choppers owner Chip Miyler who was found guilty for virtually the same things stated herein. Still serving his time and bets all he has restitution to pay to those he scammed when released.
Pass this to the DA http://www.galesburg.com/news/x702314403/Ex-motorcycle-shop-owner-pleads-guilty
Hoepfully you and Jerry point the good Detective and the District Attorneys office at Chips Case for reference.
WOW
Yes I know lots….had my run ins with some here several years ago and really believe what goes around comes around.
Boss Hawg
anybody notice that their website is backup
I have a Venom prostreet and have been reading this site for a couple of days now.Just was wandering about the propriety parts, tanks, fenders,ect., who out there has any stock builtup. I was wanting to get an extra teardrop tank before all this came down. EBAY hardly ever has any BBC parts. Any help, Thankx
I was going to buy a Big Bear chopper before I read all this…I live In Canada and i was thinking of buying the bike..Im glad someone sent me this link before I sent anyone money.
http://sturgis.com/content/index.php/bblogs/entry/blabb/rage-choppersisnt-that-a-big-bear-model.html
Clink on link I left above. Jim
JIm,
You need to pass that on to the Detective and the DA.
Boss Hawg
Jeff most of their bikes were assembled cookie cutter, all parts on shelves bikes ……..72 hrs is NEARLY 2 WEEKS 0r 8 1/2, 8 hr working days to put a bike together………those BBC kit bikes were 90% image 10% substance
Jeff dig out a 2002?? CCI catalogue and look up one of their Bike in A Box bikes, and tell me you cant assemble one of these like the one on this link, in 72 hours ……..shoot it rattle can flat black if your in a hurry lol
http://www.whistlestopchoppers.com/thunder_horse_custom.htm
Build to me is lots of custom one off fabrication, like your hi $$$$ bikes……….i’ll cut them some slack for custom paint.
Boss Hawg
in the winter posing a sno boarder Big Bear Lake is a great to be on the witness protection plan…….trying to hide as a ex auzzzie bike builder isnt so good an idea, so i doubt these 2 are up there
I am a 18 yr Army Veteran stationed in Germany. I bought my 2011 Bare Bones Chopper last April and was promised 6-8 weeks. Then July, August, Sept/Oct then Dec/Jan time frame. At first the website said for a new Bare Bones Chopper ready to ride was $21,500, being a prior customer I got a $1,000 discount. A few weeks after I received my invoice paid in full from Rick Pratt, Attitude Customs our of Bend Or, I was told that Mike at BBC said I need to send another $7,000 because the prices changed, I raised hell and in the end Mike said they will suck up the cost but if I plan on ordering anymore it would cost me $7,000 more. After month to month emails and phone calls (which I saved all emails) I was promised in the end a 2012 instead of a 2011. I was promised free black powder coated wheels and a pointed rear fender at no extra cost. I WANT JUSTICE!!!!
@ James Crawford….
Please tell us in detail what you finally ended up with and if it is what you agreed to buy?
Plus…If your purchase order or contract terms and conditions were breached (price, agreed delivery date,etc…) or changed by the seller then don’t you think that you should contact Detective Meridith of San Bernardino Sherriff’s Office and the the District Attorney since the are said to be MEETING TODAY 12/15/11.Tel.#909-866-0100.
There are other applicable Law Enforcement Agency contacts listed above, too, if they you need!
Boss Hawg
BOSS HAWG …. YOUR ARE THE GREATEST… HAVE WE MET?…..WOW!!! THE HORROR STORIES JUST KEEP COMING OUT…. I AM SITTING HERE LAUGHING AT MYSELF FOR BEING SUCH A DUMMY…. ALTHOUGH IT IS FAR FROM A LAUGHING MATTER…..SOME BUSINESS MAN I AM!!!! FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH… ALL OF YOU GOOD FOLKS ARE MAKING ME FEEL BETTER….DON’T KNOW WHY… MAYBE MISERY DOES LOVE COMPANY…JER
Looks like “Who Is This Guy” just may have posted a real good read on on that poser called Chuck…less! Seems all that is missing is a weather report…LMFAO
Ey did you loose money also or did you get your bike like promised?
Red, White and Blue all the way here!
Oh yeah Billy Bear, too!
Boss Hawg
Jerry
No I can’t so unless you frequent rallies here in the SE.
Jerry did you check with the Better Business Bureau also? Maybe you should get their read?
Hope you and the others that have alleged to have been defrauded royally, fry their mountain oysters up good
Boss Hawg
Better Business Bureau has Big Bear Choppers with an “F” Rating…are you surprised?
Read it for yourself
http://www.la.bbb.org/business-reviews/New-Motorcycle-and-Motor-Scooter-Dealers/Big-Bear-Choppers-in-Big-Bear-Lake-CA-13199951
Big Bear Choppers (909) 878-4340 P.O. Box 1741, Big Bear Lake, CA 92315 http://www.bigbearchoppers.com
THIS BUSINESS IS NOT BBB ACCREDITED
BBB Accreditation was revoked because business failed to honor its accreditation agreement with BBB
Failure to respond to 2 complaint(s) filed against business
3 complaint(s) filed against business that were not resolved
8 complaints closed with BBB in last 3 years | 2 closed in last 12 months
Complaint Type Total Closed Complaints
- Advertising / Sales Issues 1
- Billing / Collection Issues 0
- Problems with Product / Service 2
- Delivery Issues 1
- Guarantee / Warranty Issues 4
Total Closed Complaints 8
Additional Complaint Information. Our complaint history for this company shows that the company responded to and gave proper consideration to most complaints. However, some complaints are unresolved meaning the company failed to properly address the complaint allegations or their response was inadequate.
As Gomer Pile USMC would say “surprise, surprise surprise”….NOT
BBB Rating is F
Boss Hawg
Boss Hawg
HEY BOSS HAWG… I DID CHECK THE BBB OUT AND SAW THE “F” RATING.. BUT YOU WON’T BELIEVE THIS.. I CHECKED THEM OUT AFTER I GAVE THEM THE MONEY… I’M A GENIUS!!!! … THAT’S ALL FOLKS… NO MORE TIME TO WRITE TO YOU ALL… I HAVE LESS IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO….
JER
@Boss Hawg I didn’t get my bike, only promise after promise, I didn’t find this out until last night!
@James Crawford
You need to contact those Law Enforcement Agencies as posted above, especially
Detective Meridith of San Bernardino Sherriff’s Office and the the District Attorney since the are said to be MEETING TODAY 12/15/11.Tel.#909-866-0100.
San Bernardino County District Attorney’s Office
316 N Mt View Ave
San Bernardino, CA 92415-0004
Telephone: 909-387-8309
Email: da@sbcda.org
Here are the others one more time:
To All Those Who Have Been Defrauded. These Law Enforcement Agencies Are Waiting To Hear From You NOW!
FBI Los Angeles
11000 Wilshire Boulevard
Suite 1700
Los Angeles, CA 90024
Phone: (310) 477-6565
Fax: (310 996-3359
Hours
Although we operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week, our business hours are from 8:15 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., Monday through Friday, by appointment only. If you need to speak to an FBI representative at any time other than during normal business hours, please telephone our office at (310) 477-6565.
United States Department of Justice
The United States Attorney’s Office
Central District of California
Criminal Division
312 North Spring Street
Los Angeles, California 90012
Assistant United States Attorney Robert Dugdale
(213) 894-4685
These agencies live for this kind of shit. Do the crime…serve the time. Now it is up to you to get the pimples off the ass of the industry.
Boss Hawg
You can also call F.B.I. RIVERSIDE office @ 951-686-0335, Jim
Lightinin Larry,
I read your story a few years ago regarding the neck of your BBC. I have one as well (07′ Pro street Venom) that I build. I too live in San Jose..
Did the neck just snap off?? was there any indication that it was failing? I’m guessing you were on the 87 when this happened, that freeway is a POS… I stay from it at ALL costs.
-Sam
A little something for your viewing pleasure.
http://rides.webshots.com/album/562805643awHMAQ
Boss,
Just posting under a pseudonym because I don’t need to get involved personally. I’m on this blog a few times under my regular name…LOL. I just felt like calling a dumbsh*t a dumbsh*t.
Guess people don’t like being pegged for what they are. That or he shrunk his Affliction shirt down to another size like most of ‘em and got stuck trying to get it off.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and put $5 bucks on this ending up as the longest running comments on any of Cyril’s posts, because I’m sure I will still be able to read up on this one well into next summer.
Man it’s getting thick in here. If I were Kevin and Mona (which I am thankfully not, because I do not lack scruples), I would ‘fess up, come clean, and figure out how to make good on these people’s deposits. At the least…admit the failure with these people. You can lie to yourself and the banks all you want about the business failing…shit happens, but for God’s sake you took from people that liked YOUR product enough to buy one of YOUR bikes. People put their hard earned money down to buy something that YOU made appealling enough for them to believe it was worth THEIR MONEY.
When and where do you get off letting those people down and STEALING from perfect strangers? The term con-man comes to mind, except you had the ability to produce product for those people, but instead outright lied and took their money anyway.
It doesn’t mean the laws going to go any easier on you, but if there is any sort of recompense, perhaps the effort will serve you well when the gavel falls.
Karma can be a bitch. Two words I am sure Mona is familiar with.
************ http://rides.webshots.com/album/562805643awHMAQ ******************
HOLY……………………………………. hope your OK……… We all hope your OK with no bodily injuries…………………
What did someone use to weld that? A flux core 50A welder ? What Da’ heck ?
Holy Shit…and all these shitsticks on here still go to bat for them.
Boss Hawg
Just got off the phone with Kevin Alsop, Told him I want my 10,000 dollar deposit back, and he told me of course he has no money,but would give me a Bear Bones frame & Tins.I told him that is’nt worth $10,00 grand,and he refered me to his Attorny,Mr. David Phillipson in Big Bear Ca.I said ,”Man To Man do the right thing”,and give me my deposit back,He again said I can only give you the frame & Tins.I also said I will pursue thru Law Enforcement if i have to,He said do what you gotta due mate.Should I settle with Frame& Tins, and cut my losses? Jim
Keith Stone & Kiki
The link I posted isn’t one of my bikes, I found it a while back and kept it bookmarked.
Kinda brings it into reality about welds failing on a scooter.
Jim Kreizinger
Those frame’s and tins as you call them are not worth $10,000, plus that is not what you mutually agreed to buy.
Prosecute for material breach of contract. You agreed to purchase by putting $10K down and they Big Bear Choppers mutually agreed to produce by accepting your money.
Very simple. Prosecute for everything you can Brother.
Boss Hawg
@ Boss Hawg, the lawyer number you posted, the women on the phone didn’t really listen to anything I was saying, only fake pretending and interupting me about how I was going to pay them for lawyer fees from Germany, and had no clue about any kind of judgement against BBC and didn’t have a clue who BBC was. Thanks
http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2010/01/22/breaking-news-former-mid-west-choppers-owner-chip-miyler-to-spend-3-12-years-in-prison/
James ,
Typical receptionist without knowledge. Their firm is listed in the judgement, but you do have to pay attorneys retainers in most all cases such as this one.
Maybe some others can refer you to a good one here.
Good Luck
Boss Hawg
Grey Beard,
Good to know you are OK… Whomever owned this machine should be on this BLOG and reading the phone numbers, Etc to contact the appropriate people…. Scary and crazy…
I read CYRILS blog everyday and have read every post. Ive been hearing things in the ‘grapevine’ for years in the business. But I guess I was always hopeful that was just BS rumors… Evidently by reading this post, 95% of this garbage is true….. Really a bad deal. I wish the best to all the honest people that so far got screwed…
Anyone see there big-rig ? That kinda sticks out and hard to hide.. That’s gotta be $300-$500K right there..
This whole deal is F’ed up…….
@ Boss Hawg and all of you, I just called Mona Alsop and she answered very nice and sweet, she said Hello who is this, I said Mona this is James Crawford I have a question for you, and she hung up!!!
Mona 951 295 9711
ToGray Beard and Keith Stone & Kiki,
That is my bike you’re looking at and that occurred back in August of 2007. Yes I sued BBC and WON! I also contacted the NHTSA back then and that’s why BBC was forced to recall 1152 bikes due to weld problems on the frame. The recall was a joke and out of the 1152 bikes in the recall there are 900 that still need the repairs done that will never get them done now as BBC is out of business.
If you look at some earlier posts by some jerk named Ariel Dakin you will see one of the things that Kevin was falsely telling people to try and divert attention away from the piss poor frame preparation and welding on those frames. They said I was pulling wheelies with the bike and that’s what caused the neck to break off. I have never done a wheelie on any bike I have ever owned. That was just smoke and mirrors on BBC’s part to try and cover their asses but my certified failure analysis and BBC’s own in house failure analysis said something very different which when delivered to the NHTSA is what prompted them to force BBC to do the recall.
I came within a hairs width of getting killed that day and it’s only by a total miracle that I didn’t get killed so I’m a bit sensitive when some asshole like Ariel Dakin tries and to spew that BS around again. I have always said and it still stands that if anyone wants to see that frame up close and personal and see the failure report just let me know and you are welcome to stop on by and see it for yourself and make up your own mind.
The lies and intimidation that BBC pulled to try and make me and others who had welding issues look like the bad guys was really far below the belt and showed what kind of people that Kevin, Mona and others at BBC really were and are. It’s absolutely no surprise to me what so many here have said as to getting ripped off by these two swindlers. The put on a pretty good front and keep the truth as hidden as possible but ultimately the truth came out and the true bad guys were revealed and their underhanded selfish plans. Hope they both burn in hell for all eternity for what they have done to honest hard working folks and the black eye they have given this industry!
LL
James Crawford
Some folks like her in the south are called “Come see U Next Tuesdays”.
Facebook is the only place they can control damages because they can block you.
Lightening Larry…get the BBC gang to come over from Club Chopper and voice their sentiments here to please.
Boss Hawg
I am shocked, since I paid full for my bike back in April 17, 2011, this was the first time I ever spoke to either Mona or Kevin on the phone, the number for Kevin on the old blog is the town police office but the one for Mona is her real number, by her voice she didn’t seem nervous about anything she was real joyful on the phone until I told her who I was then she hung up. At least they know my name who they screwed out of fucking $21,000
@ Lightning Larry, sorry to hear about your acident bro, im sure there is a lot of selfish people out there that blame your lawsuit for them not getting there bikes, but I owned a 2005 Venom Chopper and bought it in 2007, I never got any word there was a recall until after I sold it to a guy here in Germany and he found out about it after I sold it to him, I felt bad and gave him a 1,000 euros back, I didn’t have too but the old man was like 63 and I didn’t want him to think I was pulling a fast one on him.
You know I am so angry right now, I just found out about this bankrupt shit last night, I was really expecting my bike to be picked up and shipped by Christmas, I can’t believe this little extra money I made for spending 39 months total in Iraq on the Streets over the last years, away from my family and friends, fighting on the streets for people like Kevin and Mona Alsop….the little I saved up was for my bike that they took from me, but I tell you this, Mike Forbes is the one I am really pissed about. He was never straight with me, he knew long before and the last email I got from him was this. THis was November 8, 2011 Message body
Hi James,
Thanks for the understanding.
At the time of the order we had every intention of completing your bike in our normal time frame. Unfortunately, we were hit hard by the economy and other factors that forced us to downsize our operations which has added to our build times. We’re behind on all our builds. We will complete your bike very soon and we appreciate your support and interest in our bikes.
Thanks again!!!!
MIchael
And here is another one from Mike Forbes
RE: Bare Bones Chopper
FROM: Michael (Big Bear Choppers)
TO: ‘james crawford’
CC: ‘Rick Pratt’
‘Gareth Cuthbertson’
Message flagged
Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:31 PM
Message body
Hi James,
I know you’re anxious about your bike. We appreciate your patience. As you know it take us about 12 – 14 weeks to build the bike once we receive the deposit. Your order is about 10 weeks old.
Shortly after you ordered your bike we were forced to downsize our operations to insure we survived the economic downturn. This has made our build time longer for everyone who has ordered a bike from BBC.. We’re proceeding as fast as we can with your build. Your bike was actually moved to the front of the production schedule and was placed in front of other builds that are older orders than yours to meet your deadline . We’re still looking at about 3- 4 weeks to finish your build. We will do everything we can to get it done faster. Feel free to call me if you want to discuss the bike.
Thanks
Michael Forbes
Sales & Dealer Development
Big Bear Choppers
909 878 4340 ext 112
michael@bigbearchoppers.com
@james. Please dont bring micheal into the conversation. He was merely doing what he was told and had no part in the eventual demise of BBC. His job function was merely as a order taker, and as of late damage control, the latter of which was being manipulated solely by kevin. I know for a fact he feels awful for what happened as well as the issues BBC has been facing for the past 3 years. To him it was a job. He has responsibilities like anyone else. He tried to find new career avenues multiple times over the past year to no avail. If it were up to him he wouldve been gone two years ago and he wouldnt of had to go through the situation. With that said I understand your frustration. I respect you for serving our country and I hope the situation will be resolved to some degree for all those effected by this unfotunate event.
@Gman, I have no respect for him, me as a Soldier and a leader, for some time now. If your Boss tells you to shoot someone that is innocent or not guilty who’s fault is it. Micheal knew for sometime now that I wasn’t going to receive the bike, and he know on November 8th when I got the last email from him that I was being screwed. He could have told me many months ago, but failed. He knew “the Alsops” were breaking the law and was wrong. I have no Pity for him now. He might be your best friend, as I have a few friends that are locked away as well for doing wrong. I blame Michael more for not being a man to me and being straight with me. Keep in mind there Gman, I have over 100 emails and long conversations with them, I have had many talks with Michael Forbes, now I know it is overall Kevin and Mona’s fault, and tonight when I called Mona for the first time and gave her my name she knew exactly who I was. I hope they all get 25 yrs, and Kevin gets treated like a girl in the show OZ
I am not afraid to use my real name here feel free to look me up on Facebook!!
Or how about this Gman, if Micheal Forbes feels so bad, why hasn’t he sent me a email or called me to express it. That’s right, he knew all along, and I hope he is the first one that goes away, and yes, with all my emails with him, I think your friend Micheal Forbes is not getting off that easy.
Hey Boss,
Posted the link to this page over at Club Chopper several days ago. Most already know about it and some have commented here.
LL
Not quite sure what that means James. Lots of James Crawfords on facebook also cant sift through all of them.
To be VERY clear…a friend of mine was at Cook’s Corner in So. Cal, checking out a yellow BBC a year and a half ago, when he noticed the frame crack at the neck. He went in and found the owner of the bike, who then called a tow truck to take his bike home for fear something would happen on his way home.
My friend is not in the industry and had no knowledge of this issue…simply mentioned it in passing the next time we went to Cook’s together, with a “last time I was here”….
Can’t imagine the guy was doing wheelies on it, but then again, build your product worth a shit and you don’t have to worry about that right?
@Gman James Crawford, jtcdnc@yahoo.com, from Goldsboro NC, I live in Schraudenbach Germany if that helps to find me on facebook Picture is bald guy with sunglasses
Damn maybe Kevin is coming over here to set up shop???? There are like 4 new BBC Dealers in Germany, what made me really sick was I talked to a dude that wanted a Bare Bones Chopper, he called Midland and they had one sitting in inventory, they shipped it to Munich and he has had his new Bare Bones Chopper now for 6 months. Here is 1 of the links, for those that can’t figure out German, just look at the Showcase and gallery but Kevin is on the front page check it out.
http://bobos-motorcycles.de/motorr%C3%A4der-und-mehr/big-bear-choppers/
I think it is a unfortunate situation, people got screwed and those that screwed are for now walking away. But for all of you to rehash the same thing and make derogatory comments about each other when everyone involved got screwed, seems counter productive. Everyone should band together and maybe a class action lawsuit would be possible. just a thought.
Shit German price for a Bare Bones Chopper is at today’s rate $41,500 (30800 euros ) on their homepage maybe they packed up everything and shipped to one of the Dealers here in Germany??? They ship bikes and parts over here so they could have easily done it without anyone knowing and waiting for the storm to settle, skip Country and they already have shops set up in Germany and the UK Midland?? I mean I was charged $21,000 for my Bare Bones that I never got and then they changed the price for the same bike $28,500 but in Germany they are selling a Bare Bones for $41,500????
a BBC GTX on here is going for 45800, Euros = $61,000 I think I know now where they shipped all there stuff too and planning to start fresh
Check out the prices in Euros on Midlandhttp://issuu.com/bigbearchoppers.ch/docs/bigbearchoppers.ch
and Midland BBC is in Switzerland and all these prices are in Euros People
@Gman
Since you “know for a fact” that Michael Forbes “feels awful for what happened” maybe you should drive him over to Detective Meridith’s at the San Bernardino Sheriff’s Office and to the District Attorneys Office to discuss ALL THE WRONGDOINGS he knowingly and willing participated in and help manipulate first hand.
Sounds to me like he should seek immunity for states evidence and repent with the Lord Jesus Christ, especially for knowingly shafting our men in uniform. Hell Judy Bowers at the Big Bear Grizzly Newspaper would love to hear from Michael Forbes as much as Cyril Huze here would too. Big Bear Grizzly should have a real good article out on the 21st…Maybe she won’t mention Michael Forbes if he calls her?
Come on get yourselves clean and SUPPORT YOUR TROOPS.
Semper Fidelis
RED, WHITE AND BLUE
Boss Hawg
@Boss, I called and they switched me over and told me since I am stationed in Germany and I bought the bike over the phone, that the crime was commited in Germany and I told them I bought the bike from Attitude Customs and they sent the money to BBC, she said I have to notify the German Police, so I got tired of talking and hung up. However, I have around 100 emails from Micheal Forbes mostly if you need them.
just an update,After talking to Kevin Alsop today with him asking me to settle with a Bare bones frame & Tins, and not to give my $10,000 deposit back that I sent to First Mt. bank on the 14th,I informed him I would contact the Law if he will not return my deposit. Mr. Alsop said “do what you got to do”.Well I did.For anyone involved with this CRIME,contact F.B.I” white collar crime unit” like I did tI also contacted The Grizzly Newspaper, #909-866-3456 today, and tell them your story,they need more stories like mine.Riverside Ca.F,B,I, office # is 951-686-0335.S.B.C.Sherriff Det. meridith’s #909-866-0100.Thanks again Boss Hog, and god Bless,Jim Kreizinger(760-485-9437)Lets all band together, and get Justice.
Just read the story and most of the comments. Somebody should give the Grizzly Bear newspaper a link to Cyril’s article. I am certain that reading the comments the journalist will have a true measure of what the alsop’s are all about. Shame on BBC.
To all abused by BBC do everything legally possible to obtain restitution and have justice done.
FOLKS…..There You Are….Jim Kreizinger Put It On The Line For You Now:
For anyone involved with this CRIME, contact:
CONTACT F.B.I. WHITE COLLAR CRIME UNIT at the RIVERSIDE, CA FBI OFFICE 951-686-0335.
CONTACT BIG BEAR GRIZZLY NEWSPAPER….JUDY BOWERS 909-866-3456, EXT. 137 or EMAIL JUDY BOWERS at “jbowers.grizzly@gmail.com” I spoke with Judy today….Please CALL HER AND TELL YOUR STORY…THEY WANT MORE LIKE Jim Kreizinger’s
CONTACT SAN BERNARDINO SHERIFF’s DETECTIVE MERIDITH at 909-866-0100
“Jim Kreizinger (760-485-9437)…Lets all band together, and get Justice.”
RED, WHITE AND BLUE
Boss Hawg
To My Dear Friend Here When He Reads This>
Gov Perry is looking better but he is toasted and roasted…I do think the Tea Partiers are behind “Nuke Em Newt” !
Lightnin Larry
Good to know your still with us and that you won your case.
I noticed the pix in webshots of your bike when you or somebody else posted them a while back, either here or another site. After I posted that link to your pix here, I kinda wondered if this was yours.
I’ve been welding since the 70′s, and the first thing I looked at in your pix was the welds. How in the Hell can they say there wasn’t anything wrong with the welds ?!?!?! Who ever welded your bike, had NO fucking clue what they were doing. It’s all chicken shit, no penetration, also I noticed there was no gusset on the neck and backbone. That area is critical, its a stress point, it gets alot of pressure just riding down the road, especially them long bikes. Tomany guys think if they have a prettty bead, it’s a good weld.
Like I told my nephew when he started welding, Always remember, whatever you weld, someones health or life depends on it.
You know as much as I’m pissed off right now of being screwed out of my money, there is no bike out there I would rather have than the Bare Bones Chopper, I haven’t slept in a few days over this shit and I only dream like someone like Jesse James bails them out at the last minute and saves the day and all of our money!!! I have owned 7 Harleys, and 1 2005 Big Bear Venom Chopper over the years, and my favorite Harley was my 2001 Night Train with my upgraded big tire!!
@greybeard,
Looked at your link…Rage choppers? With tons of BBC stuff on their bike? Coming from Buck Lovell, at least you can trust the source.
Guess it may be a great idea for folks involved to know about Rage Choppers in Riverside. Sounds like a continuation company of sorts. Wonder whose name’s on the lease?
Again…not really my concern if they go out of business, but if you start taking money from other folks, let your company fold under radar, while beginning to move your stuff to another location as an “employee”…AT LEAST BE SMART ENOUGH NOT TO DO A PRESS RELEASE. I may be just speculating with seeing your link, but it seems to me a verification with the assessor’s office or the bank for that matter (should have an itemized list of equipment) could verify if any machinery had made its way over there.
You know I am very pissed I got screwed out of my money but the Bare Bones Chopper was the best bike I ever seen, and it really pisses me off that I never got mine and got screwed out of $21,000. I am still wishing this is all a dream or at the last minute Jesse James or someone is going to bail them out and save the day. I have owned 7 Harley Davidsons over the years and a 2005 Big Bear Venom Chopper, and if this fails, I believe I am done with bikes unless someone else out there makes a very very similiar bike to the Bare Bones. I really can’t believe noone out there could bail them out at the last min, or buy the patients from them to bail them out of screwing us all out of our Money. I haven’t slept for 3 nights over this shit and having chest pains over all of this. I wish to God I didn’t sell my 2008 Night Rod Special to send Big Bear my money.
This is insane, I will show up, ask for a test ride and give them my fucking invoice Paid in full for my Bare Bones that he stole this money and drive off, let the cops pull me over!!! http://sturgis.com/content/index.php/bblogs/entry/blabb/rage-choppersisnt-that-a-big-bear-model.html
You know what I really hope Kevin Alsop don’t go to jail and works at this place, I know where to find him now in the future!!!!
WOW….Watch this BBC Bloomberg video..
It’s a little over a minute and in complete contrast to what is being told here by those that have lost their money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r5Ogw-oOW4
Maybe all those with problems will tell us their story.
Boss Hawg
Any idea how to go about holding BBC [proprietors] accountable for their warranties? I have accrued about $800 in work due to malfunctions from the fuel injection to the O2 sensor, to towing for both.
@ James Crawford
You can’t get emotional, at least not on here because others will tell.
Watch the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r5Ogw-oOW4 and tell Cyril Huze’s Blog viewers what has happened to you in chronological order and then send it to the LEA as referenced herein…take a few moments when you write it please and be brief…let others like you expand on your story and how you feel about your money that you feel you have been robbed of.
Boss Hawg
Hey Gray Beard,
Yeah, the pics were posted by an acquaintance of mine. He got the pics off of the Club Chopper thread back in 2008. Hell yeah I’m glad I’m still alive too!!!
The total lack of weld penetration is blatantly obvious to anyone that knows anything about welding whatsoever. Also notice that they did not bevel the tube ends as is required to get a full penetration weld on heavy wall tubing especially when using TIG, which is not a deep penetrating weld. The weld was so cold that even the paper-thin edges of the cope were not melted. One of the engineers at the company that did the failure analysis told me that JB Weld would have been better! Yet despite all the evidence BBC continued to deny it was their welds and lack of tube preparation that was at fault and they did so right up till the end and continued to lie about and never came clean! One guy on Club Chopper who started out not believing the welds were actually bad had an x-ray done and he became a believer right quick. The x-ray technician told him to call a tow truck to pick it up and not ride it because he feared it could break at any moment! He posted that x-ray over at Club Chopper and man did that ever cause the disbelievers to change their tune!
They really handled the recall badly too pushing it off on their dealers and not offering enough money per bike to properly repair them. Lots of folks could not find anyone that would do the recall for what BBC was willing to pay. At last count 900 of the 1152 bikes on the recall list were still in need of the recall. BBC really screwed a lot of people in the recall and seems that they just kept on screwing their customers right up till they shut the doors!
LL
Lightening Larry
Does the National Highway Safety Traffic Administration know that the Big Bear Choppers Recall was not completed?
Boss Hawg
This is really a sad day for people who put so much faith into BBC, me included. I received about 90% of the Venom Chopper kit that I ordered after paying upfront and waiting 14 months. I should count my blessings compared to guys like Jim K. who got totally screwed. There is a lot of anger and frustration on this site and most of it is justified. For those who partially blame the unsuspecting customer, that is total crap. When I ordered my chopper kit back in August of 2010, after Sturgis, BBC had a great reputation on the street as far as I could tell and the best BBB (Better Business Bureau) rating that they give. I checked before I bought my kit. They had been in business for a long time and I heard mostly great things about them from customers who had bought their bikes. I was unaware of the problems with the recall, my bad and I feel for Lightin’ Larry and what he had to go through.
For those who want to blame Australia for this, that is ridiculous! Most Aussies are great people and there are bad apples among all of us. For Kevin’s family, STFU! This has nothing to do with you and obviously you don’t understand just how badly Kevin handled this whole situation. This has literally ruined people’s lives and not even a word from him on how he was planning on handling this? That is below low class and totally unacceptable. To those who want to blame everyone at BBC, I understand your frustration but I think most of BBCs employees were hanging on for dear life themselves hoping things would turn around. They got screwed also and did not receive their paychecks for several months before the whole charade came crashing down. The important thing here is for all who have been screwed is to come together and make sure justice is served. I don’t know all the circumstances but I do know that a lot of customers did not receive what they paid for and Kevin did not have the decency to talk to each and every customer about what was going on and his plan to make it right. His silence is very damning and I hope he gets what he deserves. For the rest of you that are not directly involved, I suggest, like Boss Hawg has been doing, that you try and help the best you can those who have been screwed with information and advice. For you bike builders, I appreciate that some of you have volunteered to help us finish our dreams. That shows total class.
I would suggest that anyone that has been defrauded to make sure you contact Dectective Meredith at the Sheriff’s Dept (909 866 0100) That is the most important thing all of us can do. Stick together and make sure that justice is served.
@ John Kerr
Well said Brother!
Keep in mind 2 more numbers though.
CONTACT F.B.I. WHITE COLLAR CRIME UNIT at the RIVERSIDE, CA FBI OFFICE 951-686-0335.
CONTACT BIG BEAR GRIZZLY NEWSPAPER….JUDY BOWERS 909-866-3456, EXT. 137 or EMAIL JUDY BOWERS at “jbowers.grizzly@gmail.com” I spoke with Judy today….Please CALL HER AND TELL YOUR STORY…THEY WANT MORE LIKE Jim Kreizinger’s
Boss Hawg
Hey Boss,
I doubt that the NHTSA is aware that BBC is now defunct. BBC was required to submit quarterly updates on the progress of the recall but the last one that was submitted was for the 2nd quarter of 2011 and the 3rd quarter report is now 2 months overdue. Somehow I don’t think the NHTSA will be getting any more quarterly reports from BBC on the recall.
LL
Lightening Larry,
Based on my readings, it seems to me that Big Bear Choppers may have violated some Federal Laws if that is the case and clearly has no regard for the US Government’s vehicle manufacturing requirements nor cares about the safety of others whatsoever by having 900 units awaiting repairs.
If I were a Big Bear Choppers buyer or potential buyer I would take heed to the actions and inactions stated herein by others in the know.
Wonder if the FBI is looking at that also?
Boss Hawg
Just got off the phone with Riverside office of F.B.I. WHITE COLLAR CRIME DIVISION(951-686-0335), AND THEY NEED TO HERE MORE STORIES TO GET INVOLVED, SO CALL THEM.tHEY WONT GIVE ME A SPECIFIC AGENT NAME, BUT JUST ASK TO TALK W/ITH W.C.C.DIV.ALSO IT WAS GREAT TO HERE FROM YOU ALL THAT CALLED ME.THANKS DIANNE, JERRY, AND JOHN. Jim Kreizinger(760-485-9437)
What now if he has joined a major outlaw club?
@ Boss Hawg, we have seen these recall bikes for sale on CL and Ebay going back to 08…to me, it doesn’t seem the NHTSA cares very much. They give their rating and are done with it.
you talk of these recalls Can someone please tell me any information on the 07 pro street sled? i bought mine in july of this year and i did call bbc and they said no worries but im inclined to think differently Thanks for any info you can give
Last I heard, he was prospecting for the HA’s
CHRIS STEELE, http://motorcyclerecall.com/-BIG-BEAR-CHOPPERS-SLED-PROSTREET/85
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congrats to kevin and mona theyare the chumps errrr i mean champs
Boss Hawg what should be buy them for winning the most comments award?
1550tc,
How about an extended vacation for 10 to 15 years at Club Fed!
LL
Ok before I try to sleep tonight people, and it’s 03:17am my time, if Kevin really sets up shop somewhere as a silent partner, we all need to unite like this Wallstreet shit and stand outside the place until he is done again!!!
FYI Thanks for the info Seems my bear is ok but i did see a new one on my 04 big dig mastiff Thank you again
I called the FBI Riverside office today (951 686 0335) and talked with the agent in charge of the White Collar Crime Division. He was very helpful, took my name and info. and said he needed to hear from everyone that has had trouble with BBC. The investigation is still with the Sheriff’s Dept in Big Bear (Ray Meredith 909 866 0100) until it is transferred over after they feel there is enough evidence to warrant the FBI getting involved. It is up to all of us to make this happen, particularly to those who have lost their life savings and dreams to Kevin Alsop. Even though my loses were not as great as many of you, I will be glad to be as helpful as I can in resolving the fraud that was brought upon all of us. Please feel free to contact me.
808 870 7729
1550tc and Lightening Larry,
Lets start with the man or shall we say boy of the house…fresh shave and a very cheap sweet smelling bar of soap to drop with a months supply of alum douche …. LMFAO
As for the Come see U Next Tuesday….well she will deserve a nice set of unpolished forward controls to act as stirrups for her trip to the Mexican lesbian pen at the donkey show.
However, we are open to suggestions.
Boss Hawg
Mexican lesbian pen at the donkey show………..put the reeefer down OK, where is that in Tijuana?
Boss Hawg no wonder you and Jeff get along
For all we know their probably trying to get on the sons of anarchy with their new notoriety!
Juarez or Boys Town
Have to get those boys that make some parts in El Paso to verify.
Boss Hawg
Boss Hawg , if they go on the lam , ya think Mona will lose the weave ?
Chris Steele, you are welcome. I’m no Boss Hawg,but i do what i can when i can.
Boss Hawg, even though I have lost no money to these two I just want to say Kudo’s to you for all the help, and information you have put out there.
RUB
No one will go on the lam, but the weave may just disappear…wink wink
FYI
Thank you..
I sincerely hope all the Big Bear Choppers customers that allege, herein and elsewhere, to have been ripped off and screwed out of their money by Big Bear Choppers, their Mona and Kevin Alsop and employees that may have been involved and screwed to, get ALL their money back with interest an send these two off to Club Fed or another appropriate penal colony for that matter for a very long time and that the government takes everything.
Based on allegations herein and elsewhere by several others, there seems to be quite clearly stated MULTIPLE Alleged Uni-Lateral Materiel Breaches of many MUTUALLY AGREED Bi-Lateral Sales Agreements Contracts/Purchase Orders/Invoices (Albeit verbal [verbal contracts are legal when there has been a meeting of the minds and funds exchanged] or in writing).
Hopefully those that have lost prevail, but they must band together and work as a cohesive unit and team…be persistent …call ALL Law Enforcement Agencies Especially Detective Meridith and District Attorney for San Bernardino County, and the FBI White Collar Crime in Riverside.
Call Judy Bowers at the Big Bear Grizzly and most importantly here, email Cyril with the facts.
Here are the Telephone Numbers again for the last time from me:
REFERENCE BIG BEAR CHOPPERS….MONO and KEVIN ALSOP
CONTACT SAN BERNARDINO SHERIFF’s DETECTIVE MERIDITH at 909-866-0100
San Bernardino County District Attorney’s Bureau of Investigation Mike Smith
Chief Investigator 909-387-8309 Email: da@sbcda.org
CONTACT UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS Assistant United States Attorney Robert Dugdale
(213) 894-4685
CONTACT F.B.I. WHITE COLLAR CRIME UNIT at the RIVERSIDE, CA FBI OFFICE 951-686-0335.
CONTACT BIG BEAR GRIZZLY NEWSPAPER….JUDY BOWERS 909-866-3456, EXT. 137 or EMAIL JUDY BOWERS at “jbowers.grizzly@gmail.com” I spoke with Judy today….Please CALL HER AND TELL YOUR STORY…She has a new article hitting the paper Dec 21st.
And, of course, Tell Cyril Huze your story.
Call, write or go online with the Better Business Bureau also since there some that will look there for a rating. Complaint Form Link: http://www.la.bbb.org/ComplaintDetail.aspx?CompanyID=13199951
GOODLUCK TO ALL
RED WHIT & BLUE FOREVER
SEMPER FIDELIS and Billy Beer!
Boss Hawg
Here is the BBB rating site for all to see the “F”
http://www.la.bbb.org/business-reviews/New-Motorcycle-and-Motor-Scooter-Dealers/Big-Bear-Choppers-in-Big-Bear-Lake-CA-13199951
http://www.bigbeargrizzly.net/news/article_88dc8f06-2093-11e1-a85b-001871e3ce6c.html
More news for ya
Did Kevin and Mona Alsop Move From Big Bear Choppers To A New Bike Building Business? Fellow Moto Journalist Buck Lovell wrote this week in his website that a well informed source reported to him that Big Bear Choppers duo Kevin & Mona Alsop would now work for (without showing any ownership) in a new shop called Rage Choppers located in or around Riverside, California. The shop would build Big Bear Choppers style custom motorcycles. Coincidence? Rage Chopper was also the name of one of the models sold by Big Bear Coppers. I was unable to verify this information. During this time, those unhappy Big Bear Choppers clients who paid deposits or in full bikes never delivered at this day are trying hard, by all legal means, to get back their money.
Here are other avenues for those that have allegedly lost money and do not have their bikes.
Call and Write or Email Piasano Publications http://www.paisanopub.com/contact/
Get the Editor, Dave Nichols, and ask him to investigate and write an article about Big Bear Choppers and and why these customers funded orders have not been fulfilled. Dave Nichols is the editor in chief of Easyriders and V-Twin magazines and has been instrumental in getting chopper builders on television. He is an avid rider and one of the most enthusiastic supporters of custom bike builders in the entire motorcycle industry.
Call and Write or Email American Ironhorse. http://www.aimag.com/wordpress/about/
Get Editor-in-Chief Buzz Kanter, Editor Chris Maida, and female motorcyclists Genevieve Schmitt and Stephanie Feld involved and ask them to investigate and write an article about Big Bear Choppers and and why these customers allege funded orders have not been fulfilled.
Call and Write or Email ALL RALLY SPONSORS
Ask them to contact Big Bear Choppers Monoa and Kevin Alsop to see if these allegations are true as to why these customers allege funded orders have not been fulfilled.
Ask Jim Betlach (Vtwin Expo) (952) 443-4168 and Dave Nichols (PIsan0o Publications and Easyriders) http://www.paisanopub.com/contact/ to investigate Mona and Kevin Alsop Big Bear Choppers regarding all the allegations about alleged orders funded and deposits paid but no motorcycles or kits delivered.
Boss Hawg
I want to buy used BBC, can somebody tell me what bike models and/or years were on recall?
I am from Europe, I wasn’t aware of this problems with BBC, those are very good looking choppers and it is really a shame what happend with it…
thnx
Zelezny
Buy a Desperado Motorcycle from Jeff Nicklus. Great bikes and you will always know where you stand.
Boss Hawg
@ Zelezny Bo Bo’s in Munich has a Bare Bones Chopper used for 31,500 euros, i would have been better off buying it instead of getting fucked out of $21,000 dealing with Kevin Forbes frome Big Bear Choppers!!!
correction MIcheal Forbes I meant, still pissed with Kevin too
ay, hawgy,,,,, u got:em all reved up,,, havent ya !! tell ya what,, give us yr buisiness address so i can send ya a big gold badge, u know,, like they wear in texas, what do ya rekon !
mid-north-kustomz
ay you say…I reckon you only have bauxite over there so that wouldn’t help would it. And that wasn’t good enough to keep HD a keeping their plant down-under open either.
Boss Hawg
ah ha ha ha. just what i needed at 5 in the mornin, good on ya mate, yr a champ !! [but my brother thinks yr a cop-luvn rat !]but, back 2 what u said about the hd plant. i used to work at cast-alloy many many,,,,,, many years ago, as a spray painter, the place has opened and closed a few times over.i realy dont know if the bauxite thing was to blame hawgy , but i tell u what, if the buisines couldnt sustain itself, or, sales dropped that much,,, at least the managment at cast-alloy, SAW the decline cumin,,, and shut the doors. simple ! now,,, people have lost jobs,, people hav lost money, people hav lost deposits, and,,, a whole lot more,,, but now boyz ,, lets get a possie 2gether, a bike bulder with a badge on im,,,playin,, copper directory assistance, know what i mean hawgy. theres guys here readn all this f—–kn shit thinkn , r u 4 real ! as much as i hate reading about all those guyz loosing to bbc, pull yr head in mate, and let everyone find their own path in this f—-kn saga ! [shhhhh jason,,he aint a copp luvn rat,, hes just a tripper ] …………[see how reved up u get now pal]
mid-north-kustomz
We see your brother follows your instructions to quote: “kev, if yr readin this mate, do what u can 4 the bikers !! its those people that put you there in the first place, u may have worked hard in the beginning, but, they put you up there !! no ifs or buts ! pay back those deposits man, please !”
Like I said….this is getting better than the Days Of Our Lives.
Seems you boys are a little confused…so now piss off.
Boss Hawg
HELLO ZELEZNY
I AM IN THE PROCESS OF COMPLETING A BUILD OF A 2012 DEVIL’S ADVOCATE BIG BEAR CHOPPER…. IT IS NOT USED BUT NEW..I THINK IT IS THE LAST ONE EVER BUILT IN THIS COUNTRY….IT HAS MANY UPGRADES THAT BIG BEAR DID NOT OFFER…IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT PURCHASING IT FROM ME, I WILL GO THROUGH ALL OF THE DETAILS ABOUT THE BIKE WITH YOU….THANKS….. gpwalters@cox.net
KEEP UP THE HELP BOSS YOUR COMMENTS ARE RIGHT ON TO KEVIN,THE PEOPLE DID PUT HIM THERE,AND TO THE GUY SELLING THE ADVOCATE.IF I GET MY 10,000 BUCKS BACK FROM KEVIN,I WILL CONTACT YOU. JIM.
@Zelezeny, how did you get a 2012 model when they couldn’t give you a 2012 title til Dec/Jan time frame, are you Kevin Alsop trying to sell a bike on the side? Dena from BBC told me no chance for me to get a 2012 til Dec/Jan time frame!!
My bad this was for Jerry
Jerry might be Really Kevin on here because what I’m tracking no 2012 titles were issued!!!
Kevin alsop micheal forbes are scum bags they give me BS for1 year everyday was a new story
boss hawg, my appologies for the words written to you. i am the owner of mid north kustomz. i have no brother, in fact, no brothers and sisters. well,,,,, none that i know off !! the person who wrote the crap on this site will be dealt with 2moro when i get 2 work.i cant beleive this has happened, absolute garbage! my appologies boss ! and to others as well who read it. to those who are tryin to recover their losses, goodluck! merry xmas to all. tony gee.
Tony Gee/mid-north-kustomz
Not an issue here at all. Hopefully you will find those who posted to the shit in your name and connect with them. Let know that they can donate the big gold badges value to the Ronald McDonald House please.
Peace Brother and a Very Merry Christmas to you and all your loved ones!
Boss Hawg
Any new news on BBC? I talked with a FBI Agent and they email me back for the 104 emails I had with Micheal Forbes!!
I have E-mailed my info to Detective Calvert, but I have not been asked for E-Mails by The F.B.I. only phone contact with them.If you can James I would like there E-Mail.(760-485-9437) Jim Kreizinger.
HELLO JAMES,
THE LATEST I AM TOLD BY DETECTIVE CALVERT IS THAT JIM K HAS THE BEST CASE AGAINST THEM AS HE GAVE BIG BEAR MONEY AFTER THEY CLOSED…. I AM TOLD ALTHOUGH I GAVE THEM A TOTAL OF ABOUT $36K, THAT I HAVE THE WEAKEST CASE BECAUSE I ACCEPTED A PARTIALLY FINISHED BIKE… ANYWAY I AM GLAD THAT THE FBI FOLLOWED UP WITH YOU… I HAVE ABOUT 250 EMAILS OVER AN ELEVEN MONTH PERIOD… WHO DO I SEND THEM TO….JERRY
I have no response back since my phone call yesterday, I’m 6 hrs ahead with the East Coast here in Germany, I believe I will hear nothing back until after New Years! Let me find that number!
I meant they are going to email me back for my 104 emails, he told me he was happy I saved all and they want them, he wanted a number from me but I told him I was in Germany and email was best because I’m sure they wouldn’t call me back!!
But from what I got out of the conversation they want this to pursue Mail fraud, I want the Bastards to get max, how many yrs you think I would get for robbing a bank in the states, or anyone, if they only get 3 1/2 years like the other dude that’s BS, and I want Micheal Forbes to get the same, I don’t care who said he did what he was told, if I order one of my Soldiers to shoot a unarmed civilian in Iraq or Afganistan and they do who is at fault??? We both are, Micheal Forbes is no where innocent in my case or many others out there, he led me on til the day they shut the doors!!!
I AGREE WITH YOU jAMES,I AM IN THE SAME BOAT.
@Jim as soon as I get their email I will let you know
@Jerry I’m happy for you that you got 90% of your bike, and for others out there too I am curious if Cris Angel got my Bear Bones with the same vin # I was promised, it’s funny how they took my money, and Micheal Forbes was so arrogant the week before the Ride the mountain, he told me James I will let you know more about the status of your bike after the Ride the Mountain weekend, they had just took out another $100K loan for what? To show off and ensure people like Chris Angel got his 4 bikes he ordered, I’m sooooo fucking pissed!!!
HI AGAIN JAMES.
AS IT TURNED OUT I DIDN’T GET 90% OF MY BIKE… IF I DID, I WOULD HAVE WALKED AWAY… I TOLD KEVIN THAT…. BUT AS IT TURNS OUT MY BIKE WAS STRIPPED OF A CLUTCH BASKET, A PRIMARY, MY CHROME WHEELS , A COIL, PREMIUM SPEEDO AND CONTROLS… SO I GOT ABOUT $12K OUT OF ABOUT $36K….DIANE OF THE WOUNDED WARRIOR ORGANIZATION WAS THERE TO SALVAGE SOME OF HER STUFF AND SHE SAID KEVIN TOOK PARTS OFF THE BIKES THAT WERE THERE THAT WERE BEING BUILT… MINE WAS ONE OF THEM… TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY, THEY PUT A WORTHLESS DRIVE ON MY BIKE THAT DOESN’T EVEN MATCH….IT JUST GETS WORSE…. I AM SORRY FOR ALL OF US… I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO WERE BILKED OUT OF MONEY… JIM BEING ONE OF THEM….I TO BELIEVED EVERYTHING MICHAEL TOLD ME….HOPE SOMETHING IS DONE ABOUT IT… THE LAW MOVES SO SLOW… WHEN THE TIME COMES,,, LET ME KNOW SO I CAN TESTILY ABOUT ALL THAT I KNOW AT YOUR HEARING IF IT COMES TO THAT… I AM WITH YOU… I WANT TO PUT THEM AWAY… TAKE CARE… JER
We will all survive as brothers if we band together as one they will not get away with what they have done .stay in touch with each other.and stay strong.be good all and Mary x mass .SP
http://www.bigbearchoppers.ch/home.html
Now Midland Big Bear Choppers just did there latest website update on Dec 8, 2011 and it looks like they are still in business. I see all the rumors and stuff but nobody really knows where they shipped all there machines and parts, before they were making routine shipping overseas, this store is in Switzerland is or was the main store overseas and they advertise brand new dealer in Frankfurt Germany too. I wonder if they can come over here and set up shop after all this is finished.
Yes they can do whatever they want since they have your money.
You guys complaining are a bunch of over zealous whiny asses that can’t do a damn thing.
Bikers my ass…you bunch of losers can’t even complete a motorcycle transaction. How can you ride?
We are not finished with our transaction yet you wanta be DUMBASS, AND LEARN TO SPELL!
@ Jim this “Get Real” is just some dumbass faggot wannabe biker, and is scared to post his real name or his address, a poor ass coward if you ask me and can’t afford a bike, yes I lost $21,000 maybe and I’m pissed but it’s not going to break me!!
Well said James,and Thanks for your service to our great country.Merry Christmas! By the way “Get Real” I am48 Yrs. young, and been riding for over 30 Yrs; and the Bear Bones would of been my 6th.Bike.Jim Kreizinger.
Thanks Jim and I wish you and everyone else a Merry Christmas as well!! @ “Get Real” Dude I have owned 7 Harleys, and one 2005 BBC Venom Chopper Chopper that was loaded and customized not by BBC but from Attitude Customs out of Bend Oregon!! I have been riding for over 20 yrs and I’m 38 yrs old.
Just an idea. “Dead Bear Choppers” may have decided to postpone bankruptcy to ship parts and bikes abroad to its 2 dealers without taking the risk of being accused of stealing corporate assets. The issue of taking deposits and not building bikes is still the same.
James and Jim…Thanks for your service. But does it really matter how stupid ass old either of you are or how many motorcycles you two have owned when neither of you quite apparently can’t even make a very simple purchase transaction from folks as easy as Big Bear Choppers, Mike the Greek, Mike Forbes and Kevin and Mona Alsop were to deal with…NOT .
Get Real it’s very clear your a Dumbass for coming on here and talking shit to all of us that loss money with BBC, maybe BBC was a dream bike for you I don’t know, or you are only lonely and need something to do! My advice is to find another hobby, my last Chopper I owned I paid for it over the phone while I was in Iraq and had it waiting for me in Germany after a 16 month Deployment, and had a buddy of mine in Germany to wire $28,500 in my account to buy him one too, I paid for them both arranged both to be shipped from Bend Oregon to Bremen and bought a bike trailer at the same time over my laptop!! I had no issues! Me being back to back deployments and spent a total of 39 months in Iraq on the streets, it’s not a issue for me, you however have some kinda issues about this and it’s none of your business! You want to talk about being a real biker, you are a dumbass, it’s obvious you don’t have a clue or you are one of those that think you can’t get on your bike unless you have your fake leather (pig leather) on or looking like what you see is tuff in the movies, I’ve lived 16 yrs in Germany and one thing I have to say is German or European Bikers are more real, it doesn’t matter what you drive your welcomed to any biker party, it doesn’t matter when I pull up with a $40,000 Chopper or a V-Max, Germans enjoy 2 Wheels and like to have fun and the nest thing is over here you don’t have to worry about some faggot trying to steal your bike! I registered my 2007 Heritage Softail at FT Bragg in 1999 and was stolen July 4th 1999 in my Uncles front yard, you don’t have to worry about shit like that over here!! I am a proud biker, I prefer my kinda bikes but I have no problem riding beside my buddies Ducatii or a BMW, Riders in Europe respect bikers period!!!
Correction my 1997 Heritage Softail
I am one of the many who was duped by the company. Although, I have majority of the bike, I am still missing components. Thankfully, my contract is not with BBC but with a local company in Washington who is finishing the build and has assured me that he will be able to complete my bike by outsourcing the remaining parts.
Through the grapevine, I heard that a new company has started in Riverside…which they are currently operating out of. Did you hear anything about this?
For Kevin & Mona Alsop, I wish for you both to have a shit Christmas and a Terrible New Year!!!
JamesCrawford ..must writing about yourself. Seems all that self esteem got you about $.02 cents worth of fame now didn’t it big boy. For all its is worth, it got you absolutely no where but deeper in debt…how stupid. Seems you should get with Kevin and Mona Alsop at Big Bear Choppers and work all this out like others have or did you not really pay them what was due and that is why you don’t have a bike? Which just may be the story.
Hey get real,I spoke with Kevin on the phone to “Work This Out” as you say.Kevin took my $10,000 deposit 9 days before he filed for chapter 7,and now I can’t get my deposit.He asked me to settle for a frame & Tins.I don’t consider that as ‘Working this Out”,Do you? That’s why I contacted the law,Maybe we can “Work this Out” now. Jim Kreizinger.
“Get Real” you are a loser, you post these comments without using your real name, are you Kevin’s Sister? If so your a stupid bitch, I can say this Kevin will pay for what he has done to me, I’m still young and this is something I will never forget, or forgive and I will get payback one way or another, I may lose my $10,000 deposit by BBC, but now I’m getting the run around with the $11,000 by the dealer I went through, if I don’t get this in 30 days Bitch I’m flying over to the West Coast so please give me your name “Big Man”, I would make some time out of my schedule to look you up too, I’m 6ft 3 and weigh 227lbs and if you really think your such a big man we can meet and drink a beer before I fly back Bitch!!!
Jim this Get Real Jackass is a nobody, and can’t even write, ok I am from North Carolina and only have 1 year College, but he is straight from the trailer park and is a coward with no balls, or it’s “kin folks” from Kevin or Mona
GetReal is obviously some douchebag advertising a complaint site…kinda like Angry Consumer. He isn’t worth your time, he’s obviously a no name, no balls faggot. Take it for what its worth. GetReal…we’d all love to see what a tough guy you are standing in front of somebody…fu*king internet tough guys.
Have to agree,”don’t waste your time”
See lots of BS and anger.
Anyone making progress with Det. Meredith or the FBI?
Merry Christmas To All!
Boss Hawg
Cyril,
First, I want to thank you for being a huge force in the information world. I find myself reading your articles frequently. Keep it up.
In March of 2010, I retired from the Army and started working again with a company that would take me overseas often. After 3 tours to combat and with my selection of occupation which takes me away from home often, I thought I would treat myself to a nice sled. In October 2010, I set everything into motion with American Motorcycle in Washington to start the build. When I got there, the experience was great. I sat there with Gordon the shop owner, picking and choosing between things to make it “my” bike and a one of a kind. Once everything was agreed upon, I gave them a check for the complete bike minus costs for additional equipment I know I would be requesting as the build continues. I was told that the build would be approximately 4 months because the kits would be sent up from BBC. To no fault of American Motorcycles, the build was delayed. And that has continued since then until present. Gordon detailed the build http://www.americanmotorcycles.com/project.htm
But now American Motorcycles is trying to complete my build without the assistance of BBC.
I was really upset to find out that BBC left so many people hanging. I was strung along by BBC and I can only imagine the people that have sent their deposits in only to hear that BBC is out of business. It even sickened me to see Chris Angel getting all 8 of his motorcycles completed in the year it took to get my bike half done.
I am grateful that my friends have not been hit by this after they showed interest in purchasing from BBC. Now they see what I am going through and have since steered far away from there. The Feds are now involved, and I hope Mona and Kevin get what they deserve…not to mention, the people who thought they were buying a dream only to live in a nightmare, get some closure on this matter.
v/r,
R.J. Zudonyi
Battalion Systems Integrator
PdM Land Warrior (ACI)
R J…Your link paints the picture. I feel for ya brother.
This links story really tells others what pieces of shot Kevin and Mona and Mike Forbes and Mike the Greek are….yes they are in it neck deep.
Please tell us what you know about the FBIs involvement if you are allowed to please.
Wonder if Chris Angel has been contacted and he feels about our Soldiers In Uniform getting the dry rubbed shafting from Big Bear Choppers owners and their crew.
Read what racerx posted in a more recent article about Kevin & Mona hauling truckloads of goods for week after week after week to destinations unknown….If this is true and they are filling bankruptcy I hope the judge nails their asses to the crosses for bankruptcy fraud to and with the RICO Act. .
Boss Hawg.
Hey Boss, it’s hard when your in Germany and have some ASS like this “Get Real” guy, however I contacted the FBI and waiting for a response!!
James…don’t let GetReal bother ya. You saw what others say about me here calling me a copper, posting to frequently, etc….I just give it back at em with the flicked finger of fate because I know what zips up in my pants who walks in my shoes…rest are a bunch of sissy ass keyboard commandos under there mamas wings and ONLY ride when their partner gives em permission.
Keep on Det. Meredith and the FBI. Keep Cyril and Judy in the loop to. Contact Ronald above..he has a very interesting post.
Wish you all the best with getting your money back and hanging these cronies and their staff involved up by their toes.
I was stationed in Germany 40 years ago….Panzer Kaserne in Boeblingen, Germany.
Hope you had a Very Merry Christmas, Brother!
Boss Hawg
HEY BOSS HAWG AND OTHERS… IT IS TRUE WHAT RACERX POSTED ABOUT TRUCK LOAD AFTER TRUCK LOAD BEING MOVED FROM BIG BEAR TO ANOTHER LOCATION….I PERSONALLY SAW IT HAPPENING WHEN I WAS UP THERE… I HUNG OUT NEXT DOOR AT THE STORAGE PLACE AND WATCHED THIS ALONG WITH TWO OTHER PEOPLE….WE ALSO SAW MONA AND THREE OF HER CO WORKERS TAKE A BREAK FROM ALL OF THIS ACTIVITY AND SIT DONE HAVE LUNCH IN THE PARKING LOT….. TO UPDATE YOU ALL… I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH OF LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE SCAMMED BY BIG BEAR AS WELL AS I HAVE REPORTED ALL OF MY FINDINGS TO DET. MEREDITH AND NOW DET. CALVERT, 909 866 0108, THE D.A., THE FBI AS WELL AS I FILED A FORMAL COMPLAINT TO THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE…TALK TO M. SCOTT, 916 322 3360.. TO MY SURPRISE, I HAVE HEARD FROM ALL OF THEM MORE THAN ONCE… THEY DON’T TELL ME THEIR FINDINGS, HOWEVER, THEY DO TELL ME THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CHAIN OF COMMAND… THE DETECTIVES SUBMIT THEIR FINDINGS TO THE D.A. AND SO ON UP THE LATTER… IT IS GOING TO TAKE TIME… IT TAKES A LOT OF PATIENCE AS THE SYSTEM MOVES SO SLOW…I HAVE ALSO SUBMITTED LETTERS OF RESTITUTION TO KEVIN AND MONA’S LAWYER… FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON’T KNOW… HIS NAME IS DAVID PHILIPSON… HE IS IN BIG BEAR LAKE…LISTEN PEOPLE, YOU ALL HAVE TO DO THIS… THE AUTHORITIES WILL LISTEN IF A BUNCH OF PEOPLE ALL HAVE THE SAME STORY… I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO DO THESE THINGS… BELIEVE ME, I TO WOULD JUST LIKE TO TAKE MATTERS INTO MY OWN HANDS AND HAVE A LITTLE STREET JUSTICE MYSELF… BUT I KNOW IF I DO THAT, I WILL BE THE ONE IN JAIL AND NOT THEM…. JAIL IS WHERE I WANT THESE PEOPLE TO BE…..I KNOW ALL YOU GUYS DO TO… KEEP HAMMERING AWAY AT THE RIGHT PEOPLE AND YOU HAVE TO DO IT IN WRITING… FORGET THESE PEOPLE ON THE WEB WHO HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT….. JERRY WALTERS.
James Crawford, we have no friends, we have no enemies, we have only teachers. Get Real just taught me how not to be a heartless moron.
Thanks for the words of wisdom there Boss Hawg, I will stay on this and keep trying to contact the authorities, hopefully I will hear something back from the FBI soon, Thanks again and wish you Happy Holidays as well!!
boss, just had a kwik look again on this site, thanx 4 that, and also know, not one ,but 2 young blokes r now outa work. steps were taken as for them 2 publcly appologise, they refused to do so. i had no choice. i wont b subjected to shit like that in my name. thanx heaps.tony gee. hmmm, bauxite?? i mustiv missd the last roundabout !!
mid-north-kustomz
Sorry you had to cut the two young blokes! Apologies were not needed either because I am pretty thick-skinned, but appreciated.
The must have really been a couple idiots not to apologize for you and your company though.
The bauxite was on my behalf after they offered to make me gold star thinking I am law enforcement. I was just trying to keep those screwed here by Big Bear Choppers informed.
Peace Brother!
Boss Hawg
hello to all gone and read all the blog here like i didn;t buy a bbb , but i can tell you this if they filed you must file a claim against the before the court date. also if they filed who ever they owe $$$$ to first they creditors or suppliers they will be pay first . i know i own a ahi slammer 2007 and had a problem with my tach and chrome wheels long stories short i sent the parts back to supplies. everything good now also own 2 bdm . so i feel for all of you guy that last money. good luck and band together reminder they already have big $$ behind them.
look at bdm they tring to made it parts only
Been reading everyone’s posts on this since the day it all started and for some it really sucks that Kevin and Mona stole your money and let you hanging high and dry. As has been said if your one of those folks you need to use all the legal clout you can muster to see these criminals put behind bars for as long as possible.
To those who still believe that Kevin and Mona are good people it’s time for you to open your eyes, pull your heads out and read the writing on the wall and face the truth no matter how hard it to swallow and stop being such a bunch of pussies!
I think that the likes of “Ariel Dakin” and “Get Real” are most likely either very close friends with the Aslop’s or more likely related to them. After rereading Ariel Dakin’s posts and Get Real’s posts they seem eerily similar in style and content. My guess is that they are in fact the same person, perhaps one of Kevin and Mona’s kids hopping to save mommy and daddy from going to prison and thereby pulling the plug on their spoiled little lives! When all the facts are in and the truth published I’m totally confident that both Kevin and Mona will be found guilty of many, many things and so will many that worked for them. There is a special place in hell for those who profess to be bikers and then turns around and rips off real bikers for personal gain! I know that the fires are burning hotter and hotter for Kevin and Mona Alsop Et al.!
LL
I’ve seen this many times before, especially in the past two years. When a Co. gets in over its head, they have to follow the leading of their lending institutions Special Assets Dept. who aren’t very nice and the legal system. Both don’t advise doing anything until their status is made official. Meaning, they can’t do anything for their customers, vendors or employees, for legal reasons. And, they can’t make public comments. To do so would hurt their case. Unfortunately, these things take years to resolve.
I don’t believe the Alsop’s are bad people, to the contrary, they just got in over their heads and didn’t downsize soon enough. If you know Kevin and Mona, they’re good people who happen to be, in a bad economy. They didn’t change, their circumstances did. Hide and watch, they’ll come out of it and we’ll see how it shakes out for everyone concerned.
Be prepared for the worst, but hope for the best.
PS, I love my 2009 BBC DA.
@DA I’m glad you got your bike and you are happy with it, and I’m sure if I had got my Bare Bones I would have been very happy, we people on this post got robbed, they stole our money and I hope they go to prison or something worse happens to Kevin, Mona, and Kevin Forbes! They may have been good people before they stole our money, but they are no different than if they gone to a bank and robbed a bank, but of course the customers would have been insured if they robbed a bank!! In my eyes they are far worse than any bank robbers, and I hope they burn in Hell!!
Boss Hawg,
I have been prodding around on the internet and it is amazing to see how much damage that BBC has done. This link http://www.sturgis.com/content/index.php/bblogs/entry/blabb/rage-choppersisnt-that-a-big-bear-model.html is making me wonder if BBC did in fact send their equipment “elsewhere” in order to operate under a different name.
As for the FBI, I have sent them a report, but because my contract is through American Motorcycles in Tacoma, WA, most of the issues will have to be dealt with by my builders. What I did get from the Feds was that I have pertinent information and “information is being gathered”. Decipher that if you can.
I too wonder if Chris Angel knows what kind of mess BBC is in. While I was overseas, my wife took it upon herself to call BBC two weeks before the Big Bear Ride The Mountain event. During that conversation, neither Kevin or Mona knew where my invoice was…they soon found it and told her that they would be able to fill our order within the week. Mona then went as far as inviting us to the Ride The Mountain and would give us their lake house for a week for the “inconvenience” of everything. Obviously, you know I never got all the parts, I was overseas, so the invitation would not be “rain checked”, and yet another “Mind Freak” motorcycle comes off the assembly line.
It is a shame that Kevin and Mona were far more worried about background appearances on “Sons of Anarchy” then worrying about taking care of a paying customer and people who supported them to include the City of Big Bear.
R.J. Zudonyi
Put the assholes away for Theft By Conversion, Theft, Fraud, Possible Bankruptcy Fraud, Wire Fraud, Mail Fraud, Banking Fraud and RICO.
A2 My Friend Says, Theres My $.02 Cents
Cyril…
Thanks a million for keeping this alive and helping the brothers and sisters and our soldiers through the misfortunes with Big Bear Choppers and Mona Alsop, Kevin Alsop, Mike the Greek and Mike Forbes…
Boss Hawg
Well at least they mentioned me in this latest news article. http://www.bigbeargrizzly.net/news/article_1f1d548c-3101-11e1-b6d0-001871e3ce6c.html#.TvulmA5US_Y.facebook
Me too, Thanks for the Link James. Jim Kreizinger
Wow this sucks, I have lots of friends that have invested a lot in BBC, for that reason I hope there not gone for good. As for anyone that is out money and time I hope you get every cent back. On the other hand it seems others just want to see them fail for their own personal gain personal or financial I don’t know. Boss Hawg mail fraud, the RECO act, really? You are pushing this more than anyone and im not sure why, what do you have to gain by others failure?
Lightnin`Larry, your just as bad, is it personal or financial? You spout off about real bikers and don’t be a pussy, do real bikers sue people for emotional trauma? yea that’s bad ass you’re a real tuff guy, and know Im not related, friends of or paid by them just hope to see all come out of this ok customers and BBC.
so having dealt with mike forbes for around 6 months I cant believe that the police have not gotten him to roll over on kevin and mona. He is a spineless worm and would flip in a minute.
HDjockey,
Oh hell, wait for it………..
@BMF I hope Mike Forbes gets the worse end, he can’t play that shit and say he was only doing what he was told!!! I have 104 emails and can’t wait til the FBI takes it over
Lets hope Kevin & Mona Alsop and Micheal Forbes get more than this http://www.centralillinoisnewscenter.com/news/local/82455822.html
And for Kevin and Mona Alsop, to bend over and kiss Criss Angel’s ass when he came to the bike show and im sure you made his bikes after you took our money first, Criss Angel is worth over 18 million Dollars, you should have sat down with him and peaded some kinda deal or partnership and you would still be up and running? http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/criss-angel-net-worth/
The entire cast of SON’s of Anarchy that came up for the big ride are worth over 1 Billion combined, Katey Sagal is worth over 30 million by herself, and MIcheal Forbes told me in a very cocky attitude when I asked about the status of my bike he said James, I will let you know more after the our big ride the Mountain Ride, this was all they were focused on at the time!
On Jul 12, 2011, at 23:31, “Michael \(Big Bear Choppers\)” wrote:
Hi James,
I know you’re anxious about your bike. We appreciate your patience. As you know it take us about 12 – 14 weeks to build the bike once we receive the deposit. Your order is about 10 weeks old.
Shortly after you ordered your bike we were forced to downsize our operations to insure we survived the economic downturn. This has made our build time longer for everyone who has ordered a bike from BBC.. We’re proceeding as fast as we can with your build. Your bike was actually moved to the front of the production schedule and was placed in front of other builds that are older orders than yours to meet your deadline . We’re still looking at about 3- 4 weeks to finish your build. We will do everything we can to get it done faster. Feel free to call me if you want to discuss the bike.
Thanks
Michael Forbes
Sales & Dealer Development
Big Bear Choppers
909 878 4340 ext 112
michael@bigbearchoppers.com
Hi James,
Please don’t worry about getting your bike. We can proceed to build the bike and we could get you the bike in October and it would be a 2012. October is the earliest we can get 2012 certification.
Michael
Now after this email and promises from Micheal Forbes and saying he put me in front of older customers waiting for there bikes longer, I was promised Black powder coated wheels, rear pointed fender at no extra charge and now since my riding season was over he asked me if I wanted to wait for a 2012 Model at no extra charge and would be ready NLT October this is what I got from Dena Mr. Crawford,
Your Bear Bones motorcycle will be issued a 2012 Vehicle Identification Number.
This will not take place until our 2012 engine certification process is completed.
I do not expect this to happened until late December or early January.
I previously sent you a scanned copy of your MSO reflecting a 2011 Vehicle Identification Number, this is no longer valid.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.
Thank you,
Dena Valenzuella, Compliance Administrator
Big Bear American Made Choppers, Inc.
909.878.4340 ext. 119
fax 909.866.4809
dena@bigbearchoppers.com
On Nov 1, 2011, at 21:57, “Michael \(Big Bear Choppers\)” wrote:
Sorry James,
I thought we had discussed Dec/Jan for bike completion.. Times are tough for us right now and our priority is to build every bike ordered even with the build times much longer.
We’re looking at January.
MIchael
James,
I am just confirming email right now. Please type me out your statement regarding your motorcycle purchase. Also, please forward all emails to me. We are trying to confirm with our DA if we are going to handle the case, or if we are going to have the FBI take it over.
Regards,
Detective Jason Calvert
San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department
Big Bear Station
Cell (951) 223-1591
Desk (909) 866-0108
Email jcalvert@sbcsd.org
So…..I’m thinking 2011 is going to have been a lot better year for the Alsops than 2012 will be.
Good luck to you folks who got screwed. Though I’m sure the Alsops never intended to be forced to bilk folks of their money, it appears that they did it with clear conscience.
Law will judge ‘em first….God’s got dibs on second.
Happy New Year to everybody and I hope those of you who got screwed in 2011 are able to recover your losses somehow in 2012.
So sad all around. I’ve worked for a long time ,saving to buy the bike of my dreams, and now to read all of the comments posted, I’m a little saddened to know that my Pro Street isnt quite as sweet as it was when I first picked it up in October.I do understand business, and how things dont always work out the way you want them to, seeing as that I have two of my own, but at some point you start to see the writing on the wall as to which way your business is headed.I really hope that everyone who was financially hurt in this is somehow compensated but I also know that this is not always achievable.In the end I hope we all agree that we all have something in common, we love to ride and we love bikes,all bikes, I’ve read alot of angry comments the past few weeks, hopefully in the real near future we can find out the whole story,until then God Bless America, and I hope to see everyone at Sturgis in 2012. And if anybody can recommend a good shop to take my bike here in Minnesota I would sure appreciate it!
Boss Hawg, as I said before I’m out of $20,500 right now, I went through Rick Pratt, Attitude Customs from Bend Oregon, Rick Pratt sent me a invoice when I ordered my bike paid in full $21,000, $500 too much and he later sent me $500 back! Ok so Rick Pratt, owner of Attitude Customs, Bend Oregon, kept $10,500 of my money and sent BBC $10,000, I asked Rick Pratt where is my money from him and he said James give me 30 days and I will have your money, now 30 days past and no money from him and he tells me I need a lawyer now and he is waiting for his insurance company??? I said Rick why do I need a lawyer or why should I go through your insurance company to get back $10,500 that you had from me since nearly 1 year now??? Boss I need some help before I fly out to the West Coast and you see me on CNN!!!
Rick Pratt, owner of Attitude Customs, Bend Oregon (541)385-3090
located at 63003 Plateau Dr.#2 Bend Or 97701 was the dealer I went
through to order my BBC Bare bones, he received a check from my bank
on April 2011, he sent BBC $10,000 and back in December when I found
out BBC was going to file bankruptcy and screw me out of my $10,000 I
called Rick Pratt and emails about my money from him, he said he hopes
Kevin and Mona Alsop get criminal charges and such, when I asked for
my money back $10,500 from him he said James I need 30 days, I have
your money and you will get it. Then he tells me I need to go through
his insurance company and his attorney advise him not to release my
money? I said Rick why should I have to go through a attorney to get
my money from you, you have had $10,500 of mine for almost a year now
and I shouldn\’t have to wait for my money if BBC was open for
business and finished my bike today, you were to send the remaining
balance owed that you have had from me since April 2011. I contacted
the Bend Oregon Sheriff\’s office and they contacted Rick and then they contacted the DA, the DA and the Police said this wasn\’t correct to hold my money and then Rick Pratt from Attitude Customs replied he has a Attorney and he is considering Bankruptcy as well. The DA and Sheriff\’s office said he can face criminal charges for taking my money, he is trying to do the same like BBC with me now???
I worked at this place and in the first month it was easy to see that a former vet assistant (Mona) was not fit to be CEO of any company, unless company aquisitions were to overspend on Kardashian style makeup, Ed hardy tshirts and big hair. It was blatantly easy to spot the flaws and when I pointed them out to the “Efficiency Engineer” a week later they decided I should go. I made a few good friends their and after six months every single person I had worked with had either quit or got fired. Mona used to have people fired if their wife was hotter than her (and that was alot of guys).
Kevins cool- he’s a passionate biker and seemed to be a good dude. But, how can you hire a guy, have him tell Kevin this needs to change, thats is wrong, your frames are not welded corretly cuz the welder quits or gets fired every month, and then fire the guy who is trying to show you the right thing? It was doomed until they got ghetto rich, blew wads of money on houses, cars and clothes; then went on tv to say “Please help us”. pathetic. Enjoy prison and Mona should go if she was CEO in charge of all the money.
same as what happened to big dog
We dont want the thieving prick back here in australia please. The local distributer has gone through the same problems as every other client and they are good guys who have been stuffed around by Kevin the bevin!! Similar stories as you guys in the states but Chris at Wildcard has had to cop all the abuse because of Kevin and his never ending promises. Wildcard customs now have things back on track and deliver better big bears than in america as they produce and assemble their own bikes. If Kevin steps foot back in this country there is plenty of people who would like to pay him a visit and and teach him the repercussions of screwing people over. It is not the Australian way so you guys can keep the biker wannabe asshole!! Your a big man Kevin when you have to join a 1%er club for protection!! Prick!!
Ouch! I drive the hwy where the new shop was being setup. Everyday more and more stuff showing up and got my interest. After reading the forums and seeing the dislike for this company…to me it looked like they were up to no good.
I WENT BY THE PLACE FOR THE 1ST TIME AND CANT SEE WHY THEY STILL HAVE ANYTHING LEFT.
from day one my bike was a pain in my ass and NO HELP from bbc 35k out the fuken window if that a**hole ever finds himself in front of me it all over keven u should move where u cant be found. if u think iam just talking shit keven call me 909 882 1819
@Shadow666, after one of your earlier posts, Kevin called my husband demanding to know if he was the one that posted as he goes by Shadow. My Shadow told him if he ever posted anything, there would be no question who it was because we have no problem telling him to his face what we would put in writing. With your last post it is obvious that you are from Australia and that Kevin, Mona and BBC are wreaking havoc all over the world and even in his home country.
Personally, our story is we bought a kit from BBC in the early days, loved the bike, had great help from Gene, Mike P. and Tony and even Kevin. The frame issue was dealt with and taken care of, so when the Warrior Foundation came to us to help with a kit for the injured warriors in San Diego to build a chopper as part of their rehabilitation, we had no problem recommending BBC. However, without talking to us, Warrior Foundation paid BBC in full for a kit, because Kevin insisted this was the only way they could order their kit. If we had known that we would never have allowed the Warrior Foundation to move forward under those terms, a deposit should have been enough, but it went downhill from there. We had to keep on them for months to get the kit complete, kept being told it is being “mocked up”, lies upon lies, then finally we showed up in person and got about 50% of the kit and when we went back again, they were closed and Kevin was there, so we were able to get a few more parts, some used, some not the correct part, he just wanted to get us “out of his hair” So the Warrior Foundation paid $15,000 for a bike kit that has maybe a $7,000 value in miscellaneous parts. BBC stole from our injured warriors, the guys who have sacrificed for our country. We know that BBC has done this to many other customers, but we can only speak about our own experience and this experience sucks for injured warriors.
@Kevin and Mona and anyone watching, this is Diane, Shadow’s wife, you know how to get in touch if you ever decide to make things right!
Their FaceBook page has a new posting and look as if they are in full gear to start back up in an international fashion…
Hi I bought a sled 300 when they were up and cocking in 2008 and the service and turn around was crap. Tech support suggested every wrong thing possible and will not replace parts under warranty. And when I bought the parts from their vendors. Their vendors instructed me that they are tired of teaching them the correct way. I feel bad for the customers that got beat for Money but Kevin and Mona run business like shit and they need to learn a lot
In Case you haven’t seen it yet it is right on their new website with the fuckers new email address Ragehard Choppers Inc Press Release.
Simon Scott, Owner of PT Ragehard Choppers Indonesia and owner and President of Ragehard Choppers Inc is pleased to announce the opening of our new Motorcycle Manufacturing Facility in San Bernardino, California.
The Facility will be producing and marketing an extensive range of Motorcycles including the range of Big Bear Choppers previously available through Big Bear American Made Choppers.
Ragehard Choppers Inc is already in production and is in the process of designing a number of new style motorcycles including a Sled Muscle Trike, we intend to release these new models at this year’s Sturgis Motorcycle event and rally 2012.
Ragehard Choppers Inc was established in November 2011 to fulfill an ambition and continue a passion of it’s owner to bring the brilliant range of Big Bear Choppers to the global Motorcycling community and to continue to evolve and set new standards of excellence in design, engineering and value with new models that will keep Ragehard Choppers ahead of the rest for many years to come.
The Company has employed a number of former key employees of Big Bear American Made Choppers and has retained the services of Kevin Alsop, the creator of Big Bear Choppers, to create this new range of cutting edge motorcycles and to continue to evolve the Big Bear Choppers into a new generation of market leading production Motorcycles.
We hope that you will visit us at Sturgis this year or at our San Bernardino facility anytime you are in the neighborhood, we would welcome you to inspect how we manufacture these high quality motorcycles.
Hang on tight! it’s going to be a hell of a ride!
Ragehard Choppers
1331 Riverview Drive
San Bernardino, Ca 92408
phone (909) 478-7788
fax (909) 478-7711
simon.scott@ragehard.com
mona.alsop@ragehard.com
kevin.alsop@ragehard.com
James,
understand your frustration.
Just to let you know, I lost over a quarter of a million dollars to Big Bear American made Choppers dude! most of my savings gone! The only way I could get it back was to go in deeper and buy some of the the liquidated assets of Big Bear and try to manufacture bikes myself.
I have a young family, 2 boys, and it was about their future James. Maybe that helps you understand why I have done what I have done, I couldn’t just walk away and lose money like that.
I am sorry that you lost money along with a lot of other people including myself, there are definitely no winners when a company goes bankrupt, it’s really bad all round.
All I am trying to do is put things back on track for a business that I was trying to get off the ground for my family’s future and this is my way of doing it.
Best Regards
Simon
On 19/02/2012, at 8:05 AM, jtcdnc@yahoo.com wrote:
The only way you will have a successful business is to complete peoples builds that they paid for and never received, I’m not going to lie down and get fucked out of my money or my bike, and I’m at a end here, something is going to be bad in the end if I dont hear from you guys soon!!!
SFC Crawford, James T.
Simon Scott
President Director
http://www.ragehard.com
This is from Simon Scott, Owner of Ragehard Choppers,
James, understand your frustration. Just to let you know, I lost over a quarter of a million dollars to Big Bear American made Choppers dude! most of my savings gone! The only way I could get it back was to go in deeper and buy some of the the liquidated assets of Big Bear and try to manufacture bikes myself. I have a young family, 2 boys, and it was about their future James. Maybe that helps you understand why I have done what I have done, I couldn’t just walk away and lose money like that. I am sorry that you lost money along with a lot of other people including myself, there are definitely no winners when a company goes bankrupt, it’s really bad all round.
All I am trying to do is put things back on track for a business that I was trying to get off the ground for my family’s future and this is my way of doing it.
Best Regards
Simon
Simon Scott
President Director
http://www.ragehard.com
I FEEL BAD FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THIS UNFORTUNATE ”MESS”. I DONT THINK IT WILL HURT THE CHOPPER INDUSTRY TOO MUCH. LIKE ME, I HAVE LOVED CHOPPERS ALL MY LIFE. EVER SINCE I WAS A KID, FROM THE FIRST TIME I EVER SAW ONE, I HAVE LOVED THEM. I THINK THE CHOPPER INDUSTRY WILL KEEP GOING ON, MAYBE NOT AS BIG, BUT IT WILL GO ON AS LONG AS THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO LOVE, RIDE,AND WANT A CHOPPER. THROUGH ALL MY LIFE’S UPS AND DOWNS IT HAS TAKEN ME 50+ YEARS TO FINALLY OWN ONE. IT IS A DREAM COME TRUE. I SAW THE CHOPPER CRAZE COME AND GO BACK IN THE 60′S AND 70′S. BUT IT CAME BACK AGAIN, BECAUSE PEOPLE STILL LIKED CHOPPERS LIKE ME.I WORK IN A DIFFERENT TYPE OF BUSINESS, AND IT NOW IS UNDER THE THIRD COMPANY NAME. BANKRUPTSY HIT THEM TOO, AND THE SAME THING HAPPEND IN THAT CASE AS WELL. VENDORS CAME AND TOOK THEIR ITEMS BACK, COULDNT GET ANY MORE PRODUCT TO SELL,BAD MANAGEMENT, CROOKED CEO’S, ETC. BUT THE BUSINESS GOT BACK ON ITS FEET AND MOVED ON. SO I SAY THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF GOOD CHOPPER COMPANIES OUT THERE. SOME HAVE COME AND GONE, AND BBC WONT BE THE LAST, BUT IF YOU LIKE CHOPPERS, LIKE ME, DONT GIVE UP ON THEM. IF YOU REALLY WANT ONE, GO AND BUY ONE, I DID, AND I LOVE IT. GOOD DAY TO EVERYONE, AND RIDE SAFE !
JUST WANTED TO ADD AN EXTRA NOTE. THE CHOPPER THAT TOOK ME 50 + YEARS TO GET IS A 2005 BIG BEAR. SO FAR SO GOOD, NO PROBLEMS SO FAR. HAD IT CHECKED OUT FROM FRONT TO BACK, BECAUSE I BOUGHT IT USED. WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME HAD IT BEEN A CAR. BUT I LOVE IT , NO PROBLEMS AT ALL WITH IT , AND AS MY GRANDFATHER USED TO SAY ABOUT THINGS THAT WOULD GO FAST, ” IT WILL CATCH CHICKENS”. HAVE A GOOD DAY TO EVERYONE.
I still have not recieved any word from B.B.C. Lawyer yet, anyone out there has let me know.last time i was told I should recieve something by mail mid Feb. Still waiting, and out $10,000 ! F-ing Big Bear bastards.Jim Kreizinger 760-485-9437 E-Mail-soberjamesk@yahoo.com
Wow. Having owned a 2004 BBC Pro Street Venom since 2009, I have had no issues other than a broken throttle cable. The bike is truly awesome and turns heads/receives compliments everywhere I go. it only has 4 k on the clock and I got her with 2, so I haven’t gone that far. It’s terrible to hear stories like this. It’s a shame when things like this happen. Seeing as I never plan to sell I don’t worry about the resale value. Individually, the components involved in the build alone are all top notch! Good luck to all!
It’s pretty obvious that this Ariel idiot is Mona Alsop. I have dealt with you and your husband/them a couple times even before the recall and wasn’t impressed. You/they were both arrogant and seemed to have no concern for your/their customers safety. All anyone has to do is look at how the recall was handled (lies, denial, finger pointing, etc….). Did you not have frames fail under your/their own in house testing? Did someone sneak in and grind those welds and drill extra holes, and since there was never a motor mounted in them was the top engine mount bolt a contributing factor? And you say 6 failures on finished bikes is not a big deal. Really? So if any of those failures resulted in death it’s no big deal? It sounds like that’s what you’re saying. Would you put your fat ass on one? Using business practices destined to fail and having a company run by theiving b@stards led you/them to where they/you are today. I hope they/you enjoy their/your time in prison because that’s where this is gonna end up. And please everyone stay away from Ragehard, or Retard, or Raghead motors, or whatever they’re calling themselves this week. it is the Alsops. The saddest thing is that the bikes were nice bikes, just welded for crap and backed by a morally bankrupt company. Run right that company could have been pretty succesful and even survived the economy.
Message to Simon Scott: As long as you’re associated with the Alsops you will be viewed as a cancer in the industry. Not to mention that everyone now has a location for the turd, even if it’s only an email address.
Ordered my Bear Bones , paid in full at time of order , 8 weeks later the bike was delivered to my residence as stated by Michael Forbes. The best part about it , I only paid $ 18,000.00 . If you got screwed——- well I guess it sucks to be you. Thanks for a sweet ride Big Bear Choppers.
Glad your happy with your bike, keep an eye on your welds on frame upper neck.Me, I gave $10,000 deposit 4 days later Big bullshit chumppers closed there doors. Don’t try and sell it you will lose your ass, nobody wants a B.B.C. chopper.
Apparently you wanted one .
I would think since the frame recall that big bear would have fixed any problems they had with their welding process. People act as though big bear is the only company to ever have a defective part. In reality it happens all the time. I worked in the automotive industry for a number of years and have seen many recalls, some very serious. Believe me , the big three have had their share of lawsuits involving injury and or death. Don’t get me wrong , It sucks that people were injured but it happens. I am currently a lead welder for a small company and know what a good weld looks like and mine look fine . I will keep an eye on them anyway.
Bad welds are the least of the issues with BBC. Even after welds failed under their own in house testing, they were still blaming customers, even though the frames they tested never left their shop and were never in the hands of anyone but them. How can you blame 1 customer when you have an in house failure rate near 50%? They lied through their teeth, stole from good people and then went and hid behind bankruptcy. I guess there are still people out there stupid enough to deal with the thieving, lying Alsops, but they’ll lose in the end. When you run into your first issue it will suck to be you, especially when they’re in prison tossing salads. And as for the welds, in their minds there never was a problem, so I doubt they did much to fix it. Also, your welds might look good, but just because the bead looks good on top, it doesn’t show how much penetration you have. The only way to tell is to x-ray or section, but I’m sure you know that being a lead welder and all. By the way, have you seen x-rays of customer bikes? 0% penetration. Those welds looked good too.
Blah Blah Blah. Who gives a shit. If you don’t like them that’s your business. I bought my bike before any bankruptcy bullshit , what they did after that is their problem . I inspect my bike on a regular bassis and if I see any weld separatiion I have the ability to fix it myself. I don’t need some chump quoting shit you probably read on an earlier post !
No, I lived the shit. Went through the joke recall, heard the lies, dealt with the thieves on a daily basis. And this was 3 years ago, well before the cowards filed bankruptcy. Obviously you’re the one with secondhand facts At least it’s good to see that you have the ability to fix it when it fails. I’m sure you have a frame jig and the skills to disassemble and reassemble the front end. With your attitude of almost feeling joy for all the people who got screwed, all I can do is laugh when I ride by your ass laying on the ground with a busted bike. If you had a fraction of a brain you would avoid these guys like the plague, but you don’t. You’re an idiot. You deserve each other. Enjoy being their only customer. I don’t know, maybe you’re the type that when someone screws them over you beg for them to do it again and love it. Normal people get pissed.
Easy asshole. It seems as though you need help with your anger issues. Get over it and move on fool.