The shooting occurred about 1 a.m. Saturday at “Loud American Roadhouse Bar” on Main Street in Sturgis after a confrontation between members of the Hells Angels and the Iron Pigs, a motorcycle group composed of police officers. An off-duty Seattle police officer who has been detained after a member of the Hells Angels motorcycle club was shot and wounded during the Sturgis motorcycle rally has been previously disciplined, according to a report in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. Police officials have not released the name of the officer involved in the shooting, or four other officers with him at the time, but sources confirmed to the Seattle Post Intelligencer that he is a 43-year-old detective who works for the Seattle police Pawn Shop Squad and is a police guild board member. The officer also is known throughout the department as an avid motorcycle rider. Seattle police say they were notified of the incident, and that 4other Seattle officers were also present during the shooting. According to the Associated Press, all five officers were relieved of duty pending an investigation by South Dakota authorities, Seattle police spokesman Sean Whitcomb said. The Seattle Police Department sent a team of investigators to Sturgis to gather more information on the shooting.
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My first thought is what is an off-duty cop doing with a firearm in a bar?!
They were keeping details very quiet about this in Sturgis other than saying a cop that was a member od the Iron Pigs has shot a Hells Angel.
It looked like it was trying to be kept quiet in hopes they could cover it up.
Just because he is a cop and other cops ar handeling it there is reason to watch and see what happens.
I have seen other questionable incidents involving the Filthy Pigs and maybe the organization needs to be looked into as well
coverup in sturgis…..cop will probably walk with a slap on his wee-wee…….if you or I got caught with a loaded gun in a bar we would never get out of jail…..how about the pigs with himn? Carrying also?
Will this be swept under the rug by the police dept.?
are these “clubers” too coward to go to a rally unarmed? tough club aren’t they
The detective said he always carries a gun at motorcycle rallies because he knows that a motorcycle club composed of cops and firefighters attracts negative attention from “outlaw” bikers.
guns, liquor, LEO’s (the biggest, meanest, most empowered club of all) and patched clubs are a pretty volatile mix viewed through most any lens…add the heat of Sturgis and you got a heapin’ helpin’ of shitstorm brewing…
A police officer is required to carry a firearm at all times. Bars, hospitals, post offices are not off limits. Lets let the investigation take it’s course before we make any calls on whether it was a rightous shooting or not. If the cop was in the wrong then they need to burn his ass as well as his buddies.
I just returned from Sturgis and the word on the streets there was that the HA started the shit with the cops and then pulled a knife when the Iron Pigs surrounded the HA. The story was that the HA approached the Iron Pigs and “ordered” them to remove their colors. Obviously that didn’t work out as he had planned. Again, I can’t say for sure what happened as I wasn’t there, just giving the word on the street.
From the comments I have read I must respond. Yes the Iron Pigs is a law enforcement motorcycle club. An investigation will be done to see if it was a justifiable shooting. If I were to speculate, I’m very certain it was. Many citizens have no clue as to what 1%r clubs like the Hells Angels are about. If you want to align yourself with them, prepare to be victimized. Clubs like the Hells Angels are urban terrorists that have been linked to murder, assaults, rapes, prostitution, extortion, manufacturing and selling methamphetamines, auto and motorcycle thefts. They make a shallow attempt to deceive the public by strapping toys to their bikes to give to under privileged kids. The Hells Angels try to bully everyone across the country. That is why they are constantly in the news. If you take note of their T-Shirts and quotes “Three can keep a secret if two are dead”, “Snitches are a dying breed” and “School of hard knocks”, just to name a few. They are sending you a message that they are bullies and will cause trouble with anyone for no reason. Unfortunately there are misguided “Boot-Lickers” who scream support the red & white. Most of them are afraid so they go along with the anarchists within the biker community. Thank GOD for law enforcement to keep them from infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/374413_sturgis11.html
Check out this pig’s track record…On Aug. 12, 2005, he was again accused of getting into an altercation, that time at a Tacoma restaurant while off duty.
He at one point allegedly threatened to shoot the restaurant manager, who had asked him to leave.
at a Seattle Resturant.
Instaigated a fight at a Seattle Seahawks game.
Shoots unarmed Hell’s Angel in bar.
Use common sense here. Mix outlaw biker clubs with filthy pigs clube and figure out what can happen. I don’t trust the cops or the Hell’s Angels. I have been at a bar where the filthy pigs ride to and they do have a attitude don’t f__k with us are you will pay. How can a gathering of pigs be so tough that they must shoot a unarmed biker ?
The police are not releasing the names of the officers involved in the shooting. WHY? If that were me involved my name would be from here to China and back by now. This information is a matter of Public Information and the names of all involved should be released immediately.
So OMG, I guess I ought to take umbrage since you are calling members of my family terrorists. How about paranoid delusion? Does that have a place in your scorched earth attack?
I don’t have a personal gripe with LE because I’m older, a little smarter and there’s people I enjoy the company of that wear badges. But to use your yardstick… ” linked to murder, assaults, rapes, prostitution, extortion, manufacturing and selling methamphetamines, auto and motorcycle thefts” to measure by, there’s benn more than a few cops that could get painted with the same brush.
You bet there’s thugs with colors. Same in uniform. You bet there’s good cops who are not in it to strike terror into the hearts of little old ladies and OMG’s. Same goes for patches.
Get your thinking wrapped around the concept that every person is different and you may sound a little less like some strident, self ordained moral barometer and more like a thinking person.
Mike,
Thanks for the link to the article.
RE:
“…sources said it might have been sparked because the officers were displaying colors or other identifying markings associated with their club…”
Shades of the bad old days?
Have things really changed?
Years ago the HA “relieved” the Marauders of their club colors in a rather hostile takeover….
Not too long ago the HA “Incorporated” the Boozefighters. Become a pledge or get out. Was that a hostile takeover…??? .
Years ago a close friend was “made an offer, for his sportster, that he couldn’t refuse.” Not too long ago another young friend “turned over” his collectible sportster (among other things) to “the boys.”
It’s interesting to see so many of today’s “wanna-bees” fawn over or imitate the clubbers of the old days. These people have no clue as to what went on back then.
As a youngster i was drawn to the club scene because this is where ya found the people who were really into scooter. But after a while it became apparent that increasingly more of these people were not interested in scooters at all. They were there either for the notoriety or other dubious activities.
Condemnation of all MC clubbers is not the point. MC clubs are probably as varied in social dynamic as any other social, political, or commercial organizations. Just like bikes, we are NOT ALL THE SAME.
It’s obvious that the mass infusion Boomers into the Bike Scene hasn’t eliminated or even diluted the “malevolent non-motorcycle” element of the bad-old-days. Hell, that should be obvious to even a casual observer of today’s MC scene. If nothing else, the lack of interest in becoming a skilled rider or even a knowledgeable MC owner should says it all.
So, i guess the question is, what’s going on in today’s MC scene and how thin is this veneer of “toy-run-respectability?”
But think about it in this context:
Our Biker heritage, that of the rugged individual, comes to us through the Cowboy of the old west and the Motorcycle Gypsies of the depression. These are the true 1% , not petty criminals glorified by Hollywood and the media.
IMHO
-nicker-
For years I have watched the “Man” hassle good fun loving bikers that for the most part just want to get drunk and party amoung their friends from Sturgis to Hollister. The whole time at every venue the cops hassle us for just having a good time and doing our thing. Enforcement is done selectively to “protect and serve” the public according to the establishment. Yet the vast majority of the public could care less about a group of bikers having a good time. Well places like Sturgis call in thousands of cops from all over the country to help “protect” the public. What really goes on is that they have created a huge revenue generating machine, one that feeds on the poor biker that can’t afford the fancy lawyers that the upper crust can. The less affluent can be easily manipulated by the system because they can’t afford to argue with the courts and they are lead like sheep through the revolving doors of the Sturgis legal system. Don’t question your punishment, pay your fines, shut up, go on your way, be sure and come back next year (we’ll need your money again). I’ve read and witnessed many stories of the fleecing of the biker crowd.
One year a poor lady vendor was arrested outside Sturgis and ticketed for driving under a suspended license from another state. She was forced to close her booth losing valuable selling time twice to attend court. She was not driving on a suspended license at all and it was proven so. They had made a mistake. Even after proving it was an error the prosecutor told the judge “Well then the state would be willing to drop the charges after she pays the court costs.” Even a Sturgis judge drew the line at that point and said “Pay costs of what, it’s not her fault?”
This story summed up the Sturgis “system” for me, that’s how it works.
Now, I hope this FUCKING cop goes to jail like he should. Now, its time to show how the system should deal with a violent criminal.
Otherwise fuck Sturgis and fuck the system.
just because they put on a unifrom doesnt make them above the law, this morning in west palm beach channel 5 news broke a story on a local officer who has been arrested for stealing the old catalytic converters out of the police motor pool garage, a whole dumpster worth $2,200 dollars profit and loss of job, HA, cop,bandito, whatever you call yourself, remember one thing they all put their pants on one leg at a time. they are human and prone to all the pitfalls and mistakes the rest of us are.just an amusing thread with the input from everyone who wasnt there and doesnt have all the facts, agreed they should release all the facts like it says above if i did it everyone from california to conneticut would know by 8 a.m. the next morning.
POP,
I agree with some of your statements, but very few. My yardstick is FACT and you know it. There have been dirty cops on the force. They are dealt with, fired and face jail time like anyone else. This whole incident started because the Hells Angels think they have a RIGHT to tax (extort) money from state rocker clubs or remove your colors. Maybe the puppet clubs in the farm leagues will. Not a legitimate LE Club. You make me laugh to say “there’s been more than a few cops that could get painted with the same brush.” The difference is Hells Angels embarce that behavior. Cops get fired and convicted. As far as sticking up for your family, I respect you for that.
A) If ANYBODY ever came up to me & demanded I take off MY vest there would be a fight.
B) Sounds like the big-bad Red & White made a common mistake: he brought a knife to a gun fight.
Although I wasn’t there (THAT night) I have seen these “angels” in action before; they go up to someone with a club vest on & stomp the crap out of them (or worse) until the vest comes off. They always outnumber their victim’s and are usually bigger. They usually make the ‘prospect’s’ do it. They are bully’s & punks… They just happened to pick on the wrong guy.
No tears from me, no matter what this cop did ‘once upon a time’ back home, who gives a shit? Ask yourself, if a bunch of gang-bangers surrounded YOU and tried to make YOU their bitch & pulled a knife on YOU… what would YOU do if you had a gun…? I know what I’d do & I’ll tell you what… he damn sure wouldn’t in any “fair” condition afterwards…
RIGHT ON RIZ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me tell you something RIZ….It’ ain’t over till it’s over.
Thank goodness the big bad ENFORCERS M/C wasn’t there,or there would have been certain death.People getting trampled on from the ENFORCERS running their pussy asses away,like I have seen them do before.They call thereselves a Law Enforcement club!HA!HA!HA! about 10 to 15 percent either is or was Law Enforcement,the rest just wish they were.
Pop,
RE:
“…Get your thinking wrapped around the concept that every person is different …”
Absolutely,
Back in 1962 (or so) there was an Examiner article on the SF HA club, with a picture of some dude pulling a wheely on his pan head. Wish i still had that picture!
Word was that was one cool club…. Artists, Doctors, Bohemians… and some very skilled scooter jockeys.
But then, we all know what (or should i say who) instigated the “Federal Gang Task Force” of the late 60’s.
What was-zat you were saying about “… murder, assaults, rapes, prostitution, extortion, manufacturing and selling methamphetamines, auto and motorcycle thefts…”
Simply can’t remember a damn thing to recommend the Oakland club.
(outside-a the occasional matchbox at “The Forum”)
“…only witnesses are survivors…”
Gee-Zuz….. right out of the 1930’s Anarchist handbook…..
Not my idea of the 1%
-nicker-
-BTW-
Just in case some one thinks this sorta stuff is just an anomaly:
RE: (CoCo Times)
“…eight members of Set Free Soldiers (Christian Biker Gang) in connection with an attempted murder in a bar fight with the Hells Angels…. brawl and stabbing took place at Newport Beach bar (Blackie’s by the Sea)… victims are members of the Hells Angles…. Rose Lambie 65… ‘pastor’ of the Christian group…. authorities say the gang has a religious ministry that recruits people discharged from prison….”
Just some more gist for the mill.
-nicker-
Nicker, I appreciate that you are delivering a point with news reports. I have been in the life for awhile. There’s not much I’m liable to see or read that surprises me, or alters my thinking much.
I can post ample anecdotal reports to either
A. promote the wonderful charity or 1%ers
or
B. emphasize the crazed indiscretions of cops
to reinforce my position but neither means much out of context and neither is a true representation any more than popular mythology is.
All the patch tells me is that they are affiliated. I’m interested in the ride and if a cop wants to ride I’m in. If a member wants to ride I’m in.
Haven’t been murdered yet, or assaulted by a patch, raped, prostituted, extorted, haven’t bought ice, and have not had a car stolen. I did have a knuckle taken in the 70’s and to this day I don’t know whether it was patches or independents took it, but it could have been either.
That’s the point. In any group, any club, any niche, it could be anybody that goes off the reservation.
Interesting comments on the Meade County Times,newspaper of Sturgis. Several cops wrote in denouncing the Iron Pigs,claiming they are not a LEO MC but a group of “thugs”. A “REAL LEMC member” said the difference between the HA and Iron Pigs is the HA don’t disrespect the badge. My question is if the cop and his 4 buddies were threatened, why didn’t he announce himself and show his badge instead of his gun? Just asking?
Pop.
RE:
“…it could be anybody that goes off the reservation…”
Point taken.
Thanks for the dialog.
-nicker-
I dont think cops have any right to do anything that a normal citizen shouldn’t do just because they have a badge. But as far as the HA, I don’t understand the people who defend them. There may be good people in this “club” but everything I have ever seen or heard about them is bad. So if I was a decent person who just wanted to ride and be with a group of people who had similar interests, why would I choose a group that has nothing but a bad rep?
Why wouldn’t I start my own club with the people I want to ride with? This isn’t like being stereotyped as a race, because you can change a patch on your back whereas you can’t change your skin color. Start a new club. Why do you want to associate yourself with a group who is known for bad things unless that is what you want to be known as?
I think this needs to take its course. We all know how the Angels work and I would bet that it wont end at this. One of their guys got jacked up by a Cop…I bet the Iron Pigs stay away from certain things for a while. HA are not afraid of cops NOR should they be, I am not.
Not backing either party here, but I was there that night, and there were 2 HA guys, 1 from Saskatchawan(sp?) and one from Cali sporting their colors. We left before the band’s last set and weren’t there for the shooting, but if the HA guys were representing and they demanded the cops lose their colors, it looks they bit off more than they could chew.
Well, the ultimate point is (or should be) FREEDOM. I mean, that is one of the best reasons we ride, right? There are few things in this world that can produce such feelings of power & freedom. When I ride, I feel free, I absorb the day, the sun, the wind, the road. It’s an inter-active journey, almost out of body… Ya just can’t get that in a car. Sometimes when I ride, I think about the unfortunate souls who either never get to or just choose not to ride the open road on two wheels. They just don’t know what they are missing. Especially when I ride through the Black Hills durring Bike Week. No matter how much of a “joke” it’s gotten to become to some people or how commercial it is now, the riding & conversations at the Beer Gardens still does it for me. Being around people who really do ‘get it’ or lookin at the chrome or the freaks or the babes & listening to good music, reminds me of my freedom.
Just don’t try to take MY freedom away from me man! I’ll let you be who you want to be, just don’t steal my bike, tell me what I can or can’t wear or try to prove how bad you are by gangin’ up on me. If you’re a cop, good for you, just don’t hassle me for ridin’ or cause how I look or who you THINK I am. The Golden Rule Bro’s & Bro-ette’s it is how we should all live.
WARNING TO ALL MOTORCYCLE CLUB PATCH HOLDERS
BE AWARE OF THIS
Sent to me by Gringo Mark:
Our brother Korey got pulled over last night on 84th and Pecos. Needless to
say he had to spend a couple of hours in the pokey due to an outstanding
traffic warrant.
This is what the Adams County sheriff’s deputy told him:
For the next two weeks during the DNC in Denver:
1) Any patch holder cruising through the Denver Metro area will get pulled
over and they will run a check on your license. No reason, or cause needed
other than we are considered to be part of extremist organization. This is
part of a Homeland security measure, no probable cause is needed or required
2) The Sheriff’s Deputy also stated that we pass on to all out brothers to
stay clear of Denver during the DNC. Again, they will absolutely pull any
and all patch holders over and run them through an on the spot background
check.
The deputy offered this as a fair warning and advised us to stay low for the
next two weeks
See what your wonderful HA’s have started by trying to bully a LE Club
The real issue is the term, “LEMC” so many MC’s throw this term out there but very few qualify. A True LEMC would have never allowed themselves to get into that situation in the first place. A True LEMC is made up of Active or Retired Law Enforcement Officers, as a majority. If your members consist of LEO’s Firemen & and like minded civilians, then you are just a MC, or maybe a LE Support club. It’s simple; a True LEMC is 90% cops anything else is a Wannabe LEMC. There’s nothing wrong with being a regular Independent MC or an LE Support Club, but don’t pretend to be something your not. This causes problems for everyone and tarnished the real LEMC’s. This is as bad as all the idiots claiming to be Navy Seals when in reality most of them weren’t even in the service. Be who you are and be proud of who you are, but never pretend to be something your not.
The Cop has been charged as well as the HA Member he shot.
here is a link to the story.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/376865_sturgis29.html
im sure the seattle investigators will do as they should do in this case as far as the oficer goes.. no one knows for sure just what went on in that bar. in the state of washington anyone can APPLY for a permit to carry a gun…not just cops.
im assuming if it involves hells angels there is more to the story that we dont know right now.
lets just all wait and see……
Let’s get some facts straight, the Iron Pigs are a Cop Club, then why are they wearing an outlaw patch? Why are they jumping into a world where they do not belong? Are they law, or outlaw? For them to wear rockers, including a state rocker is extremely offensive to true patch holders. They deserved to get stripped, period!
If state, or city D.A.’s had any sense, they would ban anyone working in their jurisdictions in an LE capacity from wearing such patches. You can’ t play in my world, play in yours, you can’t be me, so don’t pretend to do so!
The Iron Pigs throw around some major attitude, don’t kid yourselves. There are other LEMC’s that ride right and don’t play that B.S.
OMG, you’ve been drinking too much out of the propaganda punch bowl. Oh and if you really want to learn more about MC’s and what they’re really about, watch Sons of Anarchy! They nailed
it pretty good, didn’t leave much out except to tell you that it’s all B.S. And if the IPMC didn’t hide behind the badge, I’m very sure that club would have been squashed. “Tryin to bully”, give me a break, they couldn’t stand on their own if they weren’t cops.
JUST WENT AND READ THE STORY THAT CRUSTY POSTED http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/376865_sturgis29.html
FOR STARTERS EVERY ONE KEEPS SAYING WE WILL SEE. LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN COURT. IF IT WAS THE ANGEL THAT SHOT THE iron PIG EVERY ONE WOULD BE SAYING HANG HIM HIGH. THAT’S THE PROBLEM PATCH HOLDERS ARE NOT GIVEN THE SAME RESPECT AND RIGHT TO DEFEND THEM SELF’S AS EVERY ONE ELSE. THINK FOR A MINUTE HERE PEOPLE!!!! DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT SOME ONE IN ONE OF THE LARGEST AND MOST RECOGNIZED CLUBS IN THE WORLD WOULD START TROUBLE WITH A KNOWN COP CLUB? COME ON THAT’S JUST DUMB. YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH BET THE TRUTH EVEN IF YOU DON’T GET THE TRUE STORY IS THAT THE ip THINKING HE IS ABOVE THE LAW TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO POKE AT SOME ONE AND THINK HE COULD GET AWAY WITH IT. THE COP SHOULD BE DEALT WITH HARDER THAN ANY ONE HE IS SWORN TO PROTECT AND SERVE. NOT DRINK AND SHOOT. LET’S SEE DID THEY CHARGE ANY ANGELS WITH POSSESSING GUNS? NO THEY DID NOT. IF THE ANGELS WHERE LOOKING FOR TROUBLE THEY WOULD NOT HAVE STARTED IT IN A BAR….. GET A LIFE PEOPLE YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND US AND YOU NEVER WILL. SO GO BACK TO YOUR TV AND VIAGRA…..
RE:
“…IF THE ANGELS WHERE LOOKING FOR TROUBLE THEY WOULD NOT HAVE STARTED IT IN A BAR…”
Law enforcement intelligence reports warned of a potential confrontation between two outlaw motorcycle gangs prior to a Saturday melee in Laughlin that left three bikers dead, according to court documents and interviews with gaming officials.
(see http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2002/Apr-30-Tue-2002/news/18638909.html)
So that surveillance video of that fiasco was all staged…?
RE:
“… GET A LIFE PEOPLE YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND US AND YOU NEVER WILL. SO GO BACK TO YOUR TV AND VIAGRA…”
Apparently you weren’t around in the bad old days.
Please….. Don’t piss on my boots and then try telling me it’s rainging….. OK?
-nicker-
WAKE UP PEOPLE” MOST COPS ARE OUT TO SCREW SOMEONES DAY UP EVERYDAY”"ALL IN THE NAME OF THE LAW’ BIKE CLUBS GET A BAD RAP,BECAUSE OF ALL THE BULLSHIT THE LAW TELLS YOU THROUGH THE MEDIA….
This is for all you cop-hating criminal lovers to read….When the truth comes out…The good guys prevail…. If your a (99%r)citizen, be certain you will be protected from the scum….If your a 1%r(Criminal) we will continue to watch your outlaw colors run!!!!
Court Rules Cops Can Carry Guns … Nationwide!
Last update: 3:11 p.m. EST Nov. 18, 2008
SPRINGFIELD, Va., Nov 18, 2008 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ — Good Guys Can Fight Back - Criminals Beware!
A ruling on a case from South Dakota — where off-duty law enforcement officers were criminally charged for carrying guns despite the authority to do so under the federal ‘Law Enforcement Officer’s Safety Act of 2004′ (LEOSA) — has confirmed that all qualified off-duty and retired law enforcement are allowed, by federal law, to carry a concealed gun for personal self-defense irrespective of state law. The federal law supersedes the crazy, confusing and often conflicted state and local laws that limit legitimate self-defense.
LEAA’s Executive Director, Jim Fotis said, “When LEAA co-authored the original draft of what became affectionately known as ‘National Cop Carry’ back in the early 1990’s, I knew it would save cops’ lives and give those who choose to resist violent criminals a fighting chance. In 2004 I shook President Bush’s hand after he signed our bill into law and rejoiced that our fight — for more than a decade — was finally over!”
The local prosecutor’s apparent effort to challenge the federal law, and send a message to all in law enforcement not to carry a gun for self-defense in South Dakota, was soundly rejected! Thankfully, after careful review, the gun charges against the officers were dismissed. “The Judge’s crystal clear and unambiguous legal opinion should be required reading for every prosecutor in the nation so that no other law enforcement professionals, active or retired, have to endure what those officers and agents have endured in South Dakota,” declared Carl Rowan, LEAA’s Vice President.
Robert Van Norman and Kenneth Orrock, Attorneys for the officers, said “We are pleased with the court’s decision, as it reaffirms the intent of the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act and in effect will protect law enforcement officers and our communities. The law enforcement community should find comfort that LEOSA has been properly applied in this case.”
A copy of the Judge’s memorandum decision — and extensive background information on LEOSA — is available at the LEAA website: http://www.leaa.org
The Law Enforcement Alliance of America, Inc., (LEAA) is the nation’s largest not for profit, non-partisan coalition of law enforcement professionals, crime victims, and concerned citizens dedicated to making America safer.
SOURCE Law Enforcement Alliance of America
OMG,
Ya puff up real big. I am impressed. Servant.