Comments on: World’s Most Powerful Production Motorcycle

By: PhillyB

PhillyB — Fri, 05 Nov 2010 01:13:24 +0000

A little more food for thought. I own a 2007 Triumph Rocket III. It is a superbly built, well-balanced bruiser cruiser that puts out an extremely respectable combination of ponies and torque for a bike of its ilk. She cost me $10K lightly used (2,700 mi.), in better than showroom condition and adorned with a bit over $5K in accessories. It is likely that I will fork over about $6K in order to install this:http://www.carpenterracing.com/sbp_TRIII.htm, after which the beast will produce an everyday rider, that will look nearly bone stock and will put out over 250 hp and 200+ ft/lbs of !00% usable and rideable (sic) torque . Post-installation my Rock will probably be amongst the top .001% of street legal motorcycles on the road. In my book, for a cruiser that can quickly and easily be adapted to touring and that will flat out crush most, if not all the aforementioned motorcycles streetracing or at the drag strip. I think that I’ve gotten a superlative bang for my buck! I realize, that we are contrasting apples to oranges to a great extent and that the Triumph will not perform like a sportbike in the twisties, however, give me a bit of straight pavement and you will be waving bye-bye as I leave you in my mirrors! LOL

By: Tom

Tom — Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:43:55 +0000

Curt,
One of the things I always liked about this sport is the ¨live and let live¨ attitude that most experienced riders have. It sounds like you´ve been around the sport a while and you have no doubt seen the new guys that get all hung up on ¨their thing is bigger then your thing¨. Funny how a big accident and you never see them again. You´re right, I think Cyril wrote the headline to get a reaction. I know the guys at Vyrus would not promote this because they have had second thoughts on supercharging the engine. It´s all so stupid, the only reason I´m writing is because I´m in Cabo on vacation with my wife. I´m so bored setting by a pool that I´ve gotten into this discussion. Curt, I´m glad you too love your Harley; that´s why they say ¨there´s a seat for every ass and a ass for every seat¨. I´ve got to get back to the pool before I´m busted.

By: Curt!

Curt! — Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:51:18 +0000

Tom:
I read through all of the comments and kept saying “No way are you getting into this argument”, but your comment got me into a position of adding a bit. Common definition of a motorcycle is: Two wheels, engine, transmission, and able to carry one or two riders. Of course, these days even that definition is skewed. Motorcycles are purchased for a purpose, whether that purpose is to take the twisties at blinding speed without falling off the mountain, making 800 miles in a day and still being able to walk at the end, or getting back and forth to work on a few cents of gas. All motorcycle are purpose built and to compare two so different motorcycles is redundant. I think the sticking point is the headline. Is it truly “the worlds most powerful production motorcycle”? Seems like Cyril was trying to incite an argument. Tom, glad you enjoy the bike, but I’d take a Harley Electra Glide over it any day.
Just my .02

By: Tom Stephens

Tom Stephens — Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:24:09 +0000

This is a strange argument. I own a Vyrus 984 with a full race 1200cc NCR engine.
I know for a fact it weighs 135kg (295lb) & has 135hp. It cost about $100000.
There is no way this bike will cost less then mine. I didn’t buy this one because I
could see it would weigh a lot more then mine & be signifigently more complex.
I never thought I would hear the Vyrus compaired to a Boss Hog. It pains me to
type these words. It doesn’t matter that they are both motorcycles. The real point
to any Vyrus is; it’s the state of the art of motorcycle developement. It is a joy to
ride & a fiest for the eyes. For those of us that sacraficed a great deal to own one,
it is a reglious journey.

By: Pepper

Pepper — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 04:49:55 +0000

Sexy beast.

By: Crackice

Crackice — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:37:59 +0000

so, at the end its normal engine modified to throw out 210 hp…..
so if that’s how it works, then a busa with 2 superchargers and a twin turbo would be in the comp???

By: Damo ....EIRE.....

Damo ....EIRE..... — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:25:30 +0000

quare ugly bike, speed instead of style dont think so not for me lads, but everyone to there own!

By: cyclereckr

cyclereckr — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:26:41 +0000

Who cares what you may ride! If it has two wheels and you RIDE it I am all for you not against you !

By: maroco

maroco — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:15:36 +0000

Thank´s for the explanation, hope one day we can see more aplications for this systems, they are very cool.

By: hoyt

hoyt — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:52:27 +0000

maroco – hub center steering separates the steering and suspension duties better than most front-ends. This has a profound, positive impact because the trail does not change has much when compared to telescopic forks. Example: riding through a bumpy corner (or getting hard on the brakes right before turn-in for corner entry), the suspension and steering are not compressing together as much when the 2 are separated, which leaves more suspension to do its job. Consequently, forward weight-transfer is not as great which doesn’t upset the entire chassis as much.

Skilled racers tap into these advantages by getting on the brakes later on corner entry. (there is much talk about racers having to adapt to alternative front-ends after racing on teles all their lives, but that shouldn’t take long for talented riders)

There are structural/weight advantages too….look how centralized the mass is on the above bike. There is no heavy, bulky steering head in the chassis like you see on telescopic front-ends because the forces are managed low, at the front-swingarm pivots. So, not only can you centralize the chassis mass, but you can significantly reduce the weight of the frame.

Disadvantages include production costs, but that could change

By: maroco

maroco — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:12:26 +0000

There are more Systems like this, what is the advantage of this steering hub systems?

By: Zed

Zed — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:07:03 +0000

Those that want to vaguely classify 2 wheels and a motor as a motorcycle, go ahead. Nothing taken away from those builders.

Those that want to accurately compare motorcycles to motorcycles for a better look at what it takes to make a well-rounded motorcycle will have a better discussion.

It is comical watching someone taking a turn on a Boss Hoss.

By: Marshall10

Marshall10 — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:11:12 +0000

Look, it’s the power to weight ratio. How much does a boss hoss weigh? Arguement done. It doesn’t matter if you have a motorcycle that makes 400 bhp if it weighs 1000 lbs…

By: nicker

nicker — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:44:19 +0000

Look,
There are as many different reasons to build a motorcycle as there are motorcycles and builders

Comparing the capabilities of the Boss to the Virus no more resolves “what is a motorcycle” than comparing a Super Moto to a Trials bike.

More to the point would be to ask if a scooter meets it’s builder’s target concept.
Not all builds achieve their targeted goal, and fewer still cop to missing their goal……

Seems to me the Boss is an exercise in “Excess”, no more, no less….. Bingo!
(don’t think the Virus is trying for the same niche, do you……..???)

-nicker-

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By the way, awesome work. Waiting for the next one!

By: nicker

nicker — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:22:02 +0000

Look,
There are as many different reasons to build a motorcycle as there are motorcycles and builders

Comparing the capabilities of the Boss to the Virus no more resolves “what is a motorcycle” than comparing a Super Moto to a Trials bike.

More to the point would be to ask if a scooter meets it’s builder’s target concept.
Not all builds achieve their targeted goal, and fewer still cop to missing their goal……

Seems to me the Boss is an exercise in “Excess”, no more, no less….. Bingo!
(don’t think the Virus is trying for the same niche, do you……..???)

-nicker-

By: sollis

sollis — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:25:14 +0000

Bitchin !!

By: Lyle

Lyle — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:39:56 +0000

Why would anyone want a Boss Hoss? Are you riding a motorcycle or pulling a boat? You can’t tell me they handle, stop, or ride as well as a modern well designed motorcycle. But to each their own I guess….I guess the guys on the other end of the MC spectrum buy the bike featured in this topic.

By: DAVE

DAVE — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:37:27 +0000

Hmm – ridden a Boss Hoss. Lots of power, no question. A motorcycle? More or less. This is a bit of a silly argument. I do lean toward those that say the bike – the whole bike, should be designed to be a motorcycle. I also see the power to weight argument and I suspect this “Vyrus” would run circles around a Boss Hoss.

By: vince

vince — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:35:17 +0000

The Boss Hoss is a production motorcycle. Boss Hoss has been in production for over a decade. Boss Hoss is and has been certified in most states and many countries.

Boss Hoss is not a “mainstream” motorcycle

Boss Hoss has much more horsepower than the Vyrus.

So most powerfull motorcycle should go to Boss Hoss (or V-8 Choppers or Sabertooth)

By: nicker

nicker — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:04:09 +0000

Jim,

RE:
“…I think for this argument we should define a motorcycle as a vehicle with an engine designed for production motorcycle use. And in this case the Boss Hoss is not included…”

Your saying the early MC manufacturers were no building motorcycles?
(eg, Honda used generator motor………. etc.)

Not all Scooters are built to accomplish the same task.
The way i figure it, if it’ s got two wheels, ya can sit on it and drive it to the store, it’s a MC.

The notion that is isn’t a motorcycle if it is powered by a motor not “intended” for a MC is… how can i say this politely…….?
Oh ya………is incongruent.

(see, i didn’t say stupid…..
-nicker-

By: Jim Gianatsis

Jim Gianatsis — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:44:54 +0000

You could also put into a Boss Hoss a blown AA fuel dragster engine making 15,000 horsepower….
Is it still a motorcycle? It has 2 wheels, but so does a U2 spy plane on takeoff and landing.

I think for this arguement we should define a motorcycle as a vehicle with an engine designed for production motorcycle use. And in this case the Boss Hoss is not included.

By: Fluke

Fluke — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:41:51 +0000

Add the street legal stuff? the dry weight mentioned is for the street legal euro 3 compliant version. just the pic is of something else Cyril posted to stir everyone up, probably, maybe, it worked charm anyway.

But sorry, the Boss Hoss and this bike are as related as chalk and cheese. I live on one of the best motorcycle roads in Europe, 500 to 1000 bikes plus come past every weekend in the season, non are 1500lb V8′s. Any rider of said bike would be dead or sat in a field waiting for a recovery crane to pick the bike up way before they got to my house.

By: Woody

Woody — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:13:40 +0000

So if this bike’s engine was put in a log-splitter, it wouldn’t really be a log-splitter any more? I don’t have a Boss either, but it does seem unfair to always exclude them when taking about production bikes and horsepower.

By: Jim Gianatsis

Jim Gianatsis — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:09:44 +0000

I just did a little Goole.com researching on the new Veyrus and found at:

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/vyrus-987-c3-v4-worlds-most-powerful-production-motorcycle-16288.html

The non supercharged 155kg (233lbs) Vyrus 987 C3 V4 uses Ducati base 1098/S engine (170hp) bumped to 183 hp with a tuned exhaust installed . Their claimed weight of 133lbs is plaseable as the Veyrus eliminates the Ducati’s steel tube frame and attaches the suspension and body work to plates on the engine, and the fuel tank and bodywork is carbon fibre. I do not see this street model with lights, running a Catalytic converter or baffled mufflers, so it is not Euro3 or US legal as photographed. Adding that street legal stuff would increase weight about 20 pounds.

The supercharged 210hp Vyrus 987 C3 V4 is claimed to weigh just 3 kilos more at 136k/347lbs.

Please note that Ducati has been running their V-4 MotoGP bike for 2 years without a frame, the suspension and bodywork attached to the engine. So Ducati’s next production superbike could very well be frameless and significantly lighter like the Vyrus.

By: hoyt

hoyt — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:54:03 +0000

The 333 lbs. is possible since the chassis weight is low when using something alternative to a telescopic front-end.

The aluminum side-sections are minimal. The upper portion of the chassis (which cleverly doubles as an airbox in the crux of the cylinders) is all carbon fiber. The tank, tail, exhaust cans, & wheels are also cf. That leaves a light weight engine, swingarms, rads., and springs to make up the bulk of 300 pounds.

Dennis – it is not close mindedness.

only makes sense to compare bikes with a Motorcycle engine-to-motorcycle engine.