Comments on: New And Interesting. 3-Piece Wheel Design With Internal Brake System. http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/ World's Number One Source For Custom Motorcycle News Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:38:24 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Reece Flynt http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108782 Reece Flynt Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:48:17 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108782 I wonder if in the future we will see this design with the magnetic brake system? That way there is no dust or parts that need to be replaced routinly. I wonder if in the future we will see this design with the magnetic brake system? That way there is no dust or parts that need to be replaced routinly.

]]> By: Derik http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108658 Derik Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:45:07 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108658 Aaron, Interesting solution to the problem of 'how to make the wheel design the first element you see'. Single sided rotors move the problem to one side, but still conceal the design of the wheel behind what is always an unattractive, 2D part. Perimeter rotors somewhat address the problem, but cover the bead area and are overly complex to attach/remove. Drum style are surface area limited, and simply inferior to disc performance. Obviously the wheel cosmetics are purely a matter of taste and easily modified at will. Good work. I hope you do well with it. Aaron,
Interesting solution to the problem of ‘how to make the wheel design the first element you see’.
Single sided rotors move the problem to one side, but still conceal the design of the wheel behind what is always an unattractive, 2D part. Perimeter rotors somewhat address the problem, but cover the bead area and are overly complex to attach/remove. Drum style are surface area limited, and simply inferior to disc performance.
Obviously the wheel cosmetics are purely a matter of taste and easily modified at will.

Good work. I hope you do well with it.

]]> By: ohyeah! http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108649 ohyeah! Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:42:13 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108649 Check out Mark Daley and Thunderstruck's Artistry In Iron winning bike. They use this setup on the rear. Looks pretty badass! Check out Mark Daley and Thunderstruck’s Artistry In Iron winning bike. They use this setup on the rear. Looks pretty badass!

]]> By: jatinder pal http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108637 jatinder pal Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:20:15 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108637 This is sick man...i love it...very good. This is sick man…i love it…very good.

]]> By: Mike http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108603 Mike Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:55:28 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108603 I am not sure I get this product. Is there some advantage in performance or cost or weight or anything? As an engineer, I can appreciate the engineering. But it looks like it would be much more complex (non-ideal mounting/bracketry and a brake hose through the axle.. ugh), requires custom wheels, calipers, rotors, pads and hoses and I am not sure why someone would want to use it? I mean, with enough engineering we could probably put the battery inside the front tire - but why would we? I am not sure I get this product.

Is there some advantage in performance or cost or weight or anything?

As an engineer, I can appreciate the engineering. But it looks like it would be much more complex (non-ideal mounting/bracketry and a brake hose through the axle.. ugh), requires custom wheels, calipers, rotors, pads and hoses and I am not sure why someone would want to use it?

I mean, with enough engineering we could probably put the battery inside the front tire – but why would we?

]]> By: J http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108577 J Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:01:47 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108577 ...Keep coming back to look at this setup- outstanding work! …Keep coming back to look at this setup- outstanding work!

]]> By: Dale http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108561 Dale Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:23:41 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108561 Mucho cool Mucho cool

]]> By: FHP Scott http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108557 FHP Scott Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:47:26 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108557 very cool very cool

]]> By: Conrad Nicklus http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108535 Conrad Nicklus Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:24:11 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108535 I have been waiting for someone to do something along these lines for a while now. Pretty cool but not exactly what I had in mind looks wise. Conrad Nicklus I have been waiting for someone to do something along these lines for a while now. Pretty cool but not exactly what I had in mind looks wise.

Conrad Nicklus

]]> By: Aaron G http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108524 Aaron G Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:51:04 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108524 I forgot to mention the axel on the stationary side is keyed( slotted) so that the axel cannot possible shift. All we need is total axel length and we build the axel specifically for the bike/frame/front end it etc. If the frame has a .750 axel adjusted block we machine down .125 off the top and the bottom of the axel end. chain/belt adjustment works just like normal. We are working on establishing a library of factory bike frame specs and dimensions. In some cases we provide additional lower leg pieces with the wheels like the right lower leg axel clamp on oem Harley's. Thanks again for the intrest. I forgot to mention the axel on the stationary side is keyed( slotted) so that the axel cannot possible shift. All we need is total axel length and we build the axel specifically for the bike/frame/front end it etc. If the frame has a .750 axel adjusted block we machine down .125 off the top and the bottom of the axel end. chain/belt adjustment works just like normal. We are working on establishing a library of factory bike frame specs and dimensions. In some cases we provide additional lower leg pieces with the wheels like the right lower leg axel clamp on oem Harley’s. Thanks again for the intrest.

]]> By: Aaron G http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108523 Aaron G Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:39:15 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108523 The brake fluild travels through the stationary axel/caliper bracket assembly via normal brake line outside the wheel. Then travels through a fluild chamber up to the brake line fitting to the caliper. The DOT production sets do not have a line that passes throgh the axel. As for the rotational forces the calpier bracket is made of .500 billet steel along with axel assy. The caliper bracket is acually the same size as the inner hub dia. 4.250" limiting the distance from caliper to rotational force transfer termination point. There is a limit to this distance but we have yet to reach that figure. Stay tuned we are working on some new options for the wheels that will really blow your minds. The brake fluild travels through the stationary axel/caliper bracket assembly via normal brake line outside the wheel. Then travels through a fluild chamber up to the brake line fitting to the caliper. The DOT production sets do not have a line that passes throgh the axel. As for the rotational forces the calpier bracket is made of .500 billet steel along with axel assy. The caliper bracket is acually the same size as the inner hub dia. 4.250″ limiting the distance from caliper to rotational force transfer termination point. There is a limit to this distance but we have yet to reach that figure. Stay tuned we are working on some new options for the wheels that will really blow your minds.

]]> By: ger http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108522 ger Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:05:19 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108522 looks very trick. looking at the photos i cant see how the calliper is mounted or how the brake hose is fed through the wheel clever lads, looks very trick.
looking at the photos i cant see how the calliper is mounted or how the brake hose is fed through the wheel
clever lads,

]]> By: Fluke http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108519 Fluke Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:45:20 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108519 With the caliper mounted to the axle, as this seems to be, the twisting forces exerted on that axle to stop a 600lb bike doing 70MPH+ must be astonishing. With some much better looking wheels than the ones pictured I think it is a really cool and original idea, but I would worry about axle failure due to the extreme forces this system would exert. With the caliper mounted to the axle, as this seems to be, the twisting forces exerted on that axle to stop a 600lb bike doing 70MPH+ must be astonishing.

With some much better looking wheels than the ones pictured I think it is a really cool and original idea, but I would worry about axle failure due to the extreme forces this system would exert.

]]> By: Aaron G http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108518 Aaron G Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:37:39 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108518 First of all I would like to thank cryil for the post. And explain a few facts. The wheels are curently available in 18-23" Dia's We are working on a possible 26" for a respected builder in the industry. However the forging die has not been produced for the 26 to be produced in #'s. Any width is possible the rim is one piece with the flange built in, so no chance for leaks. The brakes and all parts are completly removable however pad changes can be done without line disconnect. Same two bolts as a standard caliper. All lines are DOT banjo style fits. Axel is two piece with the union in the center of the bearing hubs. No more driving the axel through lineing up your spacers. Just slide the wheel into the frame/swing ie.frt end and tighten the second axel assy through the oposing side Via a 7/8 socket once torqued. tighten axel end bolts as normal. Discs are .250 stainless not .125 or .188 like standard motorcycle discs. The wheels seem to churn the air largly in part to the radiused profile face, leading to very cool brake temps . Auto brakes have been hidden behind large wheels for years and brake performance/fade/fluid/boil and other factors are lagely due to extreme conditions, large comparative weight shifts constant braking etc. simply put with a .250 rotor it wont haoppen on a 400-800 pound vehicle especial with the oversize willwood caliper. This set up is over-kill.Just the way we wanted it. We have 4 styles available now all versions of a 5-spoke we are working on more wheel styles and as production #'s increase we will continue to invest back in the company providing consumers with an alternative to the same ol thing. Thanks for your intrest in glenndyne. First of all I would like to thank cryil for the post. And explain a few facts. The wheels are curently available in 18-23″ Dia’s We are working on a possible 26″ for a respected builder in the industry. However the forging die has not been produced for the 26 to be produced in #’s. Any width is possible the rim is one piece with the flange built in, so no chance for leaks. The brakes and all parts are completly removable however pad changes can be done without line disconnect. Same two bolts as a standard caliper. All lines are DOT banjo style fits. Axel is two piece with the union in the center of the bearing hubs. No more driving the axel through lineing up your spacers. Just slide the wheel into the frame/swing ie.frt end and tighten the second axel assy through the oposing side Via a 7/8 socket once torqued. tighten axel end bolts as normal. Discs are .250 stainless not .125 or .188 like standard motorcycle discs. The wheels seem to churn the air largly in part to the radiused profile face, leading to very cool brake temps . Auto brakes have been hidden behind large wheels for years and brake performance/fade/fluid/boil and other factors are lagely due to extreme conditions, large comparative weight shifts constant braking etc. simply put with a .250 rotor it wont haoppen on a 400-800 pound vehicle especial with the oversize willwood caliper. This set up is over-kill.Just the way we wanted it. We have 4 styles available now all versions of a 5-spoke we are working on more wheel styles and as production #’s increase we will continue to invest back in the company providing consumers with an alternative to the same ol thing. Thanks for your intrest in glenndyne.

]]> By: J http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108517 J Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:32:00 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108517 Doubt that cooling is an issue- ever see the caliper behind the wheel of virtually every car on the road? Those pads also look like they could be popped out fine as-is..... : "Virtually impossible to clean"? WTF? Do you not see the HUGE red caliper in the picture? What do you clean YOUR brakes with- your tongue? So, basically all your points don't hold any water, and you're just whining. Brilliant. Doubt that cooling is an issue- ever see the caliper behind the wheel of virtually every car on the road? Those pads also look like they could be popped out fine as-is….. :

“Virtually impossible to clean”? WTF? Do you not see the HUGE red caliper in the picture? What do you clean YOUR brakes with- your tongue?

So, basically all your points don’t hold any water, and you’re just whining.

Brilliant.

]]> By: Fred X1 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108515 Fred X1 Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:07:46 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108515 limited cooling airflow, virtually impossible to clean, requires complete dismounting and dismantling to service. brilliant. limited cooling airflow, virtually impossible to clean, requires complete dismounting and dismantling to service. brilliant.

]]> By: Bigalyts http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108510 Bigalyts Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:45:45 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108510 You know, FRITO BANDITO, I think Jesse would LOVE the Design and would want to try it out. MOUY, MOUY ! Your Mader-in-Law got Purpose also ! You know, FRITO BANDITO, I think Jesse would LOVE the Design and would want to try it out. MOUY, MOUY ! Your Mader-in-Law got Purpose also !

]]> By: maroco http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108507 maroco Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:39:08 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108507 Good idea, the motorcycle world need this. keep the inovation. good luck! Good idea, the motorcycle world need this.
keep the inovation.
good luck!

]]> By: Brandon http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108502 Brandon Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:43:10 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108502 Extremely cool system. Need to provide more wheel design choices. What sizes are available? Extremely cool system. Need to provide more wheel design choices. What sizes are available?

]]> By: BikerMarc http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108501 BikerMarc Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:34:01 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108501 Now, that's a very cool creative design. Good job. BikerMarc Now, that’s a very cool creative design. Good job.

BikerMarc

]]> By: Frito Bandido http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108498 Frito Bandido Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:26:08 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108498 Muy ugly.........look like mi madre-in-laws face Jesse James livessssssss!!!!!! Frito Bandito Muy ugly………look like mi madre-in-laws face

Jesse James livessssssss!!!!!!

Frito Bandito

]]> By: Wikked Kustoms http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108495 Wikked Kustoms Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:18:23 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108495 Thanks for the patent info. Awesome design. Thanks for the patent info. Awesome design.

]]> By: Wikked Kustoms http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108494 Wikked Kustoms Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:13:11 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108494 Very cool design. What keeps the caliper in place? I see many possibilities with this unique concept. Keep pushing that envelope! Very cool design. What keeps the caliper in place?
I see many possibilities with this unique concept.
Keep pushing that envelope!

]]> By: Boss Hawg http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108493 Boss Hawg Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:08:14 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108493 Oops.....Still drinking espresso. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7475950.pdf Boss Hawg Oops…..Still drinking espresso.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7475950.pdf

Boss Hawg

]]> By: Boss Hawg http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2009/10/25/new-and-interesting-3-piece-wheel-design-with-internal-brake-system/comment-page-1/#comment-108492 Boss Hawg Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:07:10 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/?p=23577#comment-108492 I like it and for you gear-heads that would like to understand better, please take a look at the PDF files for the patent. Boss Hawg I like it and for you gear-heads that would like to understand better, please take a look at the PDF files for the patent.

Boss Hawg

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