You state about how 78% are 18 – 25…I have this arguement constantly. I undertsna dyou are in the lower tax bracket ok. Big deal. But I also am in college and see constantly when I ask people hwy they vote for Obama. Want to know why?

Cuz they claim McCain will die cuz he is old or cuz they dont like how he looks. Obama is younger and a minority etc. how fucked is that man?

Banks should be competing for the mortgages instead of McCain’s heavy-handed government buy-out.

A bank will quickly learn that they either need to sell the paper to another bank that can make it work

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The lending bank must work with the lender to get a reasonable new rate so the bank is not caught with the loan AND the house that is difficult to sell in this economy.

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Find the new, responsible buyer if the original owner was never fit for a mortgage to begin with.

Competition is good. Where is the competition in McCain’s heavy-handed government buy-back?

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The wardrobe topic surfaces again. The same topic that caused the McCain campaign’s in-fighting to reach a boiling point. A point in which one of their own called the VP candidate a “diva”.

Take the campaign in-fighting and add the droves of high profile conservatives declaring they will vote for Obama/Biden and/or asking for Palin to step down and you can see the Republican Party is IMPLODING.

Good. Good for the GOP. Good for the country!

Most of the people in this nation are just left and right of center, depending on the topic. The current GOP implosion is a welcomed sign that indicates a move to a more moderate leadership at the Federal level. Moderate leadership is the only effective way to govern this populous nation.

How can Americans expect John McCain to effectively work “across the aisle” if he can’t even manage a campaign without numerous members of the same party declaring a vote for the other party and/or asking for his running mate to step down?

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At one point in time Theordore Roosevelt was a Republican. His tax plan was a progressive tax plan that called for slightly higher taxes on the wealthier population. Are you going to call Roosevelt’s legacy socialistic?

“As a matter of personal conviction, and without pretending to discuss the details or formulate the system, I feel that we shall ultimately have to consider the adoption of some such scheme as that of a progressive tax on all fortunes, beyond a certain amount, either given in life or devised or bequeathed upon death to any individual — a tax so framed as to put it out of the power of the owner of one of these enormous fortunes to hand on more than a certain amount to any one individual; the tax of course, to be imposed by the national and not the state government.” – Theodore Roosevelt

“The man of great wealth owes a peculiar obligation to the State, because he derives special advantages from the mere existence of government. Not only should he recognize this obligation in the way he leads his daily life and in the way he earns and spends his money, but it should also be recognized by the way in which he pays for the protection the States gives him.”
- Theodore Roosevelt

This is not socialism.

Wake up and smell the Folgers you arrogant nitwits, Obama is the worst thing this country could put into office right now. I dont give a f*ck about whether he is white, black, yellow or green, fuck Jesse Jackson this isnt about race now. This is about what is the best choice for The President of The United States for the next four year (4). Maybe you and some of your little Obama loving chronies should take a trip to the dark side ( what yall see as Republicans) and see that they have WAY more to offer this country than Obama and his Jackass political party has to offer. He has two (2) years in Senate, John McCain has how many? Over twenty (20)???? Has Obama ever served his country ? No Has McCain? YES,Oh and while he was shot down not once but twice ( yes 2 times) and then captured and placed in an imprisonment camp did he walk away and leave his fellow soldiers behind? No John McCain stood their and helped out his fellow soldiers while in the hands of the enemy. Do you think baby Obama would have done this? NO F*CKING WAY. I am sorry how can you vote for someone who doesnt even show PROOF of being a legal natural born citizen? How can you vote for someone who is being sued and holding the lawsuit off until after the election because he doesnt have proof of being a natural born citizen? They are trying to prove right now, as we type our little hearts out, that he has a falsified birth certificate. His mother, sisters, brothers, etc. all claim he was born in Kenya. HMMMMM

I am sorry but Obama even without the taxation situation is just a very poor choice to have. Wake the f*ck up everyone. Where did this guy even come from? Have you read any of his books? Have you heard any of the comments he makes about this country? Like this comment here ” The United States IS A GREAT COUNTRY AND I WILL CHANGE IT”….Yes that is Obama everyone. If this country is so f*cking great then why the hell does he need to change it? Go back to f*cking Kenya Obama, we dont have room for someone like you in this country especially the way the economy is right now and all you want to do is make it worse.

Now to Mrs. Obama, I notice she is giving Sarah Palin a bunch of shit because she spent money on a new wardrobe. Ok so she spent money on a lot of clothes (a truckload by the way)… Now if you search for Mrs. Obamas lunch at a hotel a few days ago you will see her and Obama got a little hungry and wanted a “SNACK”…OK well this snack consisted of a bill at over 400$ becaus ethey wanted a midday snack. Yes lobster tails!!!!!!!! Now hmmm they do not need lobster tails as a snack, I eat snacks, I eat Fruit Roll-Ups, Hersheys Bars, Dr. Peppers, Cheerios, etc, I do not eat 400$ Lobster tails. Sarah Palin bought something that can be used for year and years not something that is only good for a few minutes. I am sorry this is a double sided system and its f*cked. But the Media will not show the Democrat side having any flaws because the media itself is so democratic that its not even funny.

Im sorry I cant deal with this shit any longer. All you Obama supporters you are making a horrible choice with this election. But thank god for the 1st amendment and my right to bear arms, oh wait if Obama gets in he will not Veto the AMD and will take away our 2nd amendment which inturn will not allow us to have weapons and will have no way to defend our homes and families. Im sorry if you cant see why he is a bad choice you have way more issues than I can help you with,

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McCain/Palin 08′

Your head is so far up your ass it is beyond belief. Vote for this idiot and should he be elected I can’t wait for the day you and your fellow bong heads cry about how fucked up this country has become. Further, in my opinion, his name should be “Osama” ….. does that prove I am prejudice? Again when all else fails one must always play the race card. Further, again in my humble opinion, the vast majority of Osama’s voter base is voting for him strictly because he is Black.

Richard,

I hardly believe any Republican could be considered a “socialist” when our main intent in life is to get Government out of our lives! Both Bush and McCain, in my opinion, are fucking up by doing any Bail Outs. As I have stated before we should let the natural attrition take place here and let this whole mess crash and burn. Further, if you do something other than listen to the Messiah Obama you will realize the US is not “buying banks or car companies or the Bond or Securities Market(s)” they are making LOANS to these organizations. If one will recall the Feds stepped in with another car manufacturer, Chrysler many years ago, with a similar LOAN. Chrysler, under the leadership of Lee Iacocca, repaid the loan years early and has continued to prosper this many years later.

As for the case scenario if Osama wins the election ….. I already have plans in place for my companies to offset his rob and tax plans for American business and the American “Wealthy”.

Now if you will excuse me I have to get back to work and earn some money so I can continue to support Americans lazy and worthless with my “Tax Contributions”.

Over & Out,

Jeff

A Guy named Joe, who happens to be a plumber with ambitions for a bigger business, questioned and challenged a Guy named Barrack, who happens to be running for President of the US/Leader of the Free World…

And within 24 hours the Media has given us more information about Joe’s life than they’ve given us about Barracks life in the past 18 months.

Thanks to a diligent press corps, we now know about Joes professional licensing status, his income tax situation, his employment history, his domestic squabbles, his voting record, everything associated with his personal identity; his education…. Its probably been reported somewhere whether he wears boxers or briefs.

Thanks to a lazy press corps…We still dont know what grades Obama made in college; how he got into Harvard; when he met Bill the bomber Ayers; when he stopped doing illegal drugs; his medical history; whether he still smokes cigarettes; the extent of his affiliation with socialist/communist organizations; why hes no longer a licensed attorney; whether he lied on his Bar application; Whether hed qualify for a security clearance if he were just an average Joe; what passport he used to travel to Pakistan in 1981; who his ex-girlfriends are; whether he was or still is an Indonesian citizen; why his Kenyan grandmother insists he was born there; whether he was ever legally named Barry Soetoro or anything else besides Barack Hussein Obama—–; Why he needed the help of a crook to purchase his family home; where he was on Nov. 6 and 7, 1999; what the long-version of his birth certificate says; why he helped an anti-American, pro-Islamic candidate for Kenyan President against US interests; why he listened to Rev. Wrights sermons for 20 years; how many times he took his kids to a Rev. Wright sermon; what he actually did as chair of the Annenberg Challenge; the depth of his relationship with ACORN…

Well, you get the idea.

But, really, I am SO relieved that the Mainstream Media has done its job vetting Joe The Plumber, who is NOT running for public office, but who had the AUDACITY to challenge Barrack Hussein Obama, who wants my vote for President of the United States of America.”

Here we go with the race card … as usual! I am not voting for Osama Obama because he is a socialist idiot.

Question: Are you not voting for McCain because he is white?

Over & Out,

Jefff

Spot on.

It’s no surprise that any time either the Left or the Right tries to “game” the free market bad stuff happens.

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You Said,

Quote”"”"Corporations are expected to raise those margins first and foremost for the “SHAREHOLDERS”, not Joe-the-Employee. There is no such thing as a legitimate and fair “trickle down” when the focus on gross profits comes from an external influence such as “shareholders”. Corporations will skimp on your raise & benefits as much as possible all the while ensure golden parachutes in the hundreds of millions for the CEOs.”"”

Your right, in a publicly traded company, the unfortunate truth is the Shareholders do come first. Employees of publicly traded companies should know this, but most are enticed by the benifits that a large corporation can offer that a small business cannot. REMEMBER though, nobody holds a gun to anyones head forcing them to work for a large publicly traded company. Employees that CHOOSE to work for large publicly traded companies need to take the good with the bad….

You also said,

QUOTE “You might say small businesses are not incorporated. Ah, but how much of the above principle applies in a similar manner? In a capitalistic society, the hesitation to “trickle down” fairly inherently applies everywhere. It isn’t until a significant crack in the workforce’s well-being (and subsequently threats to Joe-the-Entrpreneur’s own business), are those capitalistic greedy ways curtailed to recognize the contributions of the people that helped reached that financial success”

The major thing you don’t understand about capitalism is COMPETITION. In the REAL WORLD, if a owner of a small business treats his or her employees poorly, those employees have the option of quitting and getting a job where they feel they are treated right. If that business owner continues to treat his or her employees poorly, they won’t last long in business!! Any business owner knows that without happy employees, or as you say “trickle down”, success and longevity is not possible. In a capitalistic society, competition forces small business owners to “take care” (trickle down) of key employees in order to retain them and keep them from going down the street and working for someone else.

The major point I want to make is that in this GREAT NATION, we all have a choice. Our FREEDOM allows that. If you want to work for a large publicly traded company you can! If you want to work for a small family owned business you can! If you want to start your own business because you think you can do it better, well you have that CHOICE also. That is what makes this COUNTRY so F’N GREAT! Our FREEDOM also allows people who sit on there asses to bitch and complain and blame all their problems on someone else….like I said, sometimes you have to take the good with the bad…

Hoyt, I understand Capitalism, you don’t! Either does Obama!!!

2nd Generation Small Business Owner
Started in 1972 (going on 37 years!)
1 current employee onboard for 17 years
1 current employee onboard for 6 years
1 current employee onboard for 5 years
Can’t even count how many have gone on to start their own businesses.

Rhoades

In theory, this should have allowed mortgage lending to be less risky and more diversified. But as certain lenders and brokers began to see how much money could be made, they began to lower their standards. Some appraisers began inflating their estimates to get the deals done. Some borrowers started claiming income they didn’t have just to qualify for the loans, and some were engaging in irresponsible speculation. But many borrowers were tricked into glossing over the fine print. And ratings agencies began rating bundles of different kinds of these loans as low-risk even though they were very high-risk.

Most everyone knew that some of these deals were just too good to be true, but all that money flowing in made it tempting to look the other way and ignore the unscrupulous practice of some bad actors.

This leaves out a couple of crucial factors. “All that money flowing” came from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which created a boom market in the sub-prime market at the behest of Congress. They wanted to increase the market for subprime loans, and they did so by essentially creating profit on every loan, whether it made sense or not. Fannie and Freddie removed all of the normal correctives of the market by ensuring a short-term profit on almost every piece of paper written.

The second factor is that subprime lending is almost by definition not a good idea. While most people would agree that home ownership is a benefit to the individual as well as the community, the lending of money to people who can’t afford it is a fundamentally destabilizing practice. Defaults increase bankruptcies and lower property values, and ruin the financial prospects of families for years. Lending markets had rational criteria for lending before the government provided massive and irrational incentives for subprime lending, and the price of housing remained very stable in relation to inflation. Government meddling created the housing bubble and its deflation has touched off a worldwide financial panic.

Barack Obama’s entire economic argument is incoherent on this point. He argued that during the Bush years, working families went backwards economically while only a few profited. Yet home ownership blossomed during that same period, thanks to the wildfire Fannie and Freddie set in lending markets. If families were falling backwards as Obama claims, then subprime lending was a very bad idea.

Anyone arguing that subprime lending was essentially a good idea has obviously learned nothing from the collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and the poison they introduced to the investment sector. The best way to boost home ownership is to build a strong economy in which job creation allows upward mobility throughout the entire economy, and to keep taxes low enough to encourage the kind of investment that creates jobs. Instead of forcing or enticing lenders to take irrational risks with credit, the government would have done much better to build people into position to own homes on a rational basis.

The Real Culprits In This Meltdown
http://media.libsyn.com/media/ibdeditorials/306370789279709.mp3
By INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, September 15, 2008

Big Government: Barack Obama and Democrats blame the historic financial turmoil on the market. But if it’s dysfunctional, Democrats during the Clinton years are a prime reason for it.

Obama in a statement yesterday blamed the shocking new round of subprime-related bankruptcies on the free-market system, and specifically the “trickle-down” economics of the Bush administration, which he tried to gig opponent John McCain for wanting to extend.

But it was the Clinton administration, obsessed with multiculturalism, that dictated where mortgage lenders could lend, and originally helped create the market for the high-risk subprime loans now infecting like a retrovirus the balance sheets of many of Wall Street’s most revered institutions.

Tough new regulations forced lenders into high-risk areas where they had no choice but to lower lending standards to make the loans that sound business practices had previously guarded against making. It was either that or face stiff government penalties.

The untold story in this whole national crisis is that President Clinton put on steroids the Community Reinvestment Act*, a well-intended Carter-era law designed to encourage minority homeownership. And in so doing, he helped create the market for the risky subprime loans that he and Democrats now decry as not only greedy but “predatory.”

Yes, the market was fueled by greed and overleveraging in the secondary market for subprimes, vis-a-vis mortgaged-backed securities traded on Wall Street. But the seed was planted in the ’90s by Clinton and his social engineers. They were the political catalyst behind this slow-motion financial train wreck.

And it was the Clinton administration that mismanaged the quasi-governmental agencies that over the decades have come to manage the real estate market in America.

As soon as Clinton crony Franklin Delano Raines took the helm in 1999 at Fannie Mae, for example, he used it as his personal piggy bank, looting it for a total of almost $100 million in compensation by the time he left in early 2005 under an ethical cloud.

Other Clinton cronies, including Janet Reno aide Jamie Gorelick, padded their pockets to the tune of another $75 million.

Raines was accused of overstating earnings and shifting losses so he and other senior executives could earn big bonuses.

In the end, Fannie had to pay a record $400 million civil fine for SEC and other violations, while also agreeing as part of a settlement to make changes in its accounting procedures and ways of managing risk.

But it was too little, too late. Raines had reportedly steered Fannie Mae business to subprime giant Countrywide Financial, which was saved from bankruptcy by Bank of America.

At the same time, the Clinton administration was pushing Fannie and her brother Freddie Mac to buy more mortgages from low-income households.

The Clinton-era corruption, combined with unprecedented catering to affordable-housing lobbyists, resulted in today’s nationalization of both Fannie and Freddie, a move that is expected to cost taxpayers tens of billions of dollars.

And the worst is far from over. By the time it is, we’ll all be paying for Clinton’s social experiment, one that Obama hopes to trump with a whole new round of meddling in the housing and jobs markets. In fact, the social experiment Obama has planned could dwarf both the Great Society and New Deal in size and scope.

There’s a political root cause to this mess that we ignore at our peril. If we blame the wrong culprits, we’ll learn the wrong lessons. And taxpayers will be on the hook for even larger bailouts down the road.

But the government-can-do-no-wrong crowd just doesn’t get it. They won’t acknowledge the law of unintended consequences from well-meaning, if misguided, acts.

Obama and Democrats on the Hill think even more regulation and more interference in the market will solve the problem their policies helped cause. For now, unarmed by the historic record, conventional wisdom is buying into their blame-business-first rhetoric and bigger-government solutions.

While government arguably has a role in helping low-income folks buy a home, Clinton went overboard by strong-arming lenders with tougher and tougher regulations, which only led to lenders taking on hundreds of billions in subprime bilge.

Market failure? Hardly. Once again, this crisis has government’s fingerprints all over it.

There is an underlying contradition in the conservative supporters’ fervored belief in “trickle down”. You ignore fundamentals of Capitalism: gross margins & gross profits are the leading forces in decision-making.

Corporations are expected to raise those margins first and foremost for the “SHAREHOLDERS”, not Joe-the-Employee. There is no such thing as a legitimate and fair “trickle down” when the focus on gross profits comes from an external influence such as “shareholders”. Corporations will skimp on your raise & benefits as much as possible all the while ensure golden parachutes in the hundreds of millions for the CEOs.

You might say small businesses are not incorporated. Ah, but how much of the above principle applies in a similar manner? In a capitalistic society, the hesitation to “trickle down” fairly inherently applies everywhere. It isn’t until a significant crack in the workforce’s well-being (and subsequently threats to Joe-the-Entrpreneur’s own business), are those capitalistic greedy ways curtailed to recognize the contributions of the people that helped reached that financial success.

This does not mean socialism is the answer. Far from it. (by the way, McCain is the one that wants the Govt. to buy back 300+ bilion of these mortgages. Where are the conservative outcries of socialism directed to McCain for that claim?)

There are numerous ways to incent businesses (large and small) to keep jobs domestically and to provide a tax structure that helps businesses stay competitive than the grossly simplified and insulting beer example above. This guy actually put his name & economic profession to that drivel? Is he actually thinking that these “bikers” will understand this simple example and we’ll leave it at that. Bullshit.

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On a separate note:

1.
T Boon Pickens thinks the “Drill Baby Drill” or “Drill Here Drill Now” drivel from Palin, McCain, and those supporters are severely ignorant and not understanding the reality of the oil demand vs. supply in this country.

2.
Anyone else notice that the rigors of this campaign are taking its toll on McCain’s health? This campaign is nothing to what I expect out of the next President over the next 4-8 years. Which campaign is more reactionary? We do not need reactions.

3. To John from the last political post on this blog – http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2008/10/05/halloween-masks-obama-wins-and-the-election/#comments

“You keep stating that the Iraq war was unjust, so let me ask you, where were you (politically not physically) after 9/11 happened?
Let me guess, sit around and do nothing b/c they don’t have an Air Force, right?….”

John – where was I politically? I was fully supportive of going into Afghanistan to find and kill bin Laden & finally give the people of Afghanistan a legitimate chance at a peaceful government. I seriously considered signing-up for military service to that end until Bush started running his mouth about a pre-emptive strike on Iraq.

John later writes: “Or, we don’t have proof who did it, so we better not do anything, right? Let’s go ahead and do nothing and become like Israelis who live in fear of going to a market place b/c of suicide bombers.
Let’s go ahead and reduce our military and intelligence so we can become over run by radical extremism. ”

John – not at all. We had proof who bombed the Pentagon, the Trade Centers, and intended to do more. We have proof that bin Laden was responsible. Re-read your posts. You actually think any government can conduct military action without proof?

No one said anything about reducing military intelligence.

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Racism works both ways just as racist to favor a candidate due to his race as it is to discriminate against a candidate due to his race. What happened to Martin Luthor King’s famous quote?

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

It is Barack Obama and his supporters who have hyped race, after his large lead in the polls began to shrink or evaporate, as more of the facts about his checkered career came out. Almost any criticism of Obama has been equated with racism, even if there is no connection that can be seen under a microscope. Barack Obama himself started this trend when he warned that his opponents were going to try to scare the public with various charges, including a statement, ‘And did I say he was black?’ McCain said no such thing. Palin said no such thing. But those who support Obama—and this includes much of the media—are acting as if they just know that this is the underlying message. Congressman John Lewis has likened Senator McCain to George Wallace. Congressman John Murtha has condemned a whole section of the state of Pennsylvania as ‘racists’ because they seem reluctant to jump on the Obama bandwagon. Senator Harry Reid has claimed that linking Obama to deposed and disgraced Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines is racist, since they are both black—as if the financial and political connection between the two does not exist. Much is being made of the fact that, in past elections, some white voters who told pollsters that they are going to vote for a black candidate did not in fact do so, so that a black candidate with a lead in the polls ended up losing on election day. This is supposed to show how much covert racism there is. It might instead show that people don’t want to be considered racists by pollsters because they are leaning toward someone other than the black candidate. In other words, the media themselves helped create the charged atmosphere in which some people give misleading answers to pollsters to avoid being stigmatized.

Can anyone list Obama’s accomplishments?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xod9wV6NKeg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzyY5g0Ai14

You seriously need to reread Mike’s posting! You have totally screwed the pooch on this one!

Over & Out,

Jeff

Who told you Americans go to Canada for healthcare? I don’t see this above. At best, they buy drugs in Canada. Canada doesn’t have a good health care system. You demonstration is flawed. All Europe and even Brazil has top of the line and cheap healthcare.

Who told you that immigrants don’t have businesses? I think that what is said above is that most don’t stay here and send their money in the native country, business people or burgers flippers. True. By the way, illegal immigration is sharply down with many hispanics leaving the country because of the terrible economic situation in the US. Your demonstration is flawed. Inform yourself.

ME says “Nobody comes here for the health care system!!! Far from it. Are you kidding? Even americans travel abroad to have the correct treatment at the correct price.” ME, you are very wrong and don’t even know it. Here is a short clip from a Canadian doctor on the problems with Canadian health care and how they routinely have to send their patients to the states. They fear an Obama election because the world will have nowhere to send their patients. Worth watching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4u5x9XAsAs

Here is another great one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM2xHggg7Uk
Here they interview Obama supporters in Harlem and give them McCains stances on War, abortion, and Sarah Palin and they love the policy ONLY because they think it comes from Obama. They don’t even know the Palin is with McCain. These people shouldn’t even have the right to vote.

ME also says: “95% of illegal immigrants don’t want to stay in America more than a few years. Most don’t like the system. They just look for a job and save money”. WRONG Again! In the midwest there are more Hispanic run businesses and Hispanics purchasing homes than almost anywhere else. They are not getting jobs at Burger King and just shipping the paycheck back. They are starting businesses employing others, growing roots, many pay taxes through TIN numbers, etc. These people like the American Dream. None of them are sneaking back. If they were we wouldn’t be worried about our immigration policy. The people come in and they stay.

If you aren’t willing to educate yourself on something, please do not post or take a public stance it.

God help us all.