thats the gospel!

ride on bros!

Hell, I can’t get Gar to buy lunch let alone makea loan! lol

DTS,

What can I say that Nicker hasn’t already said? Possibly: DTS, have a great OCC kinda’ day!

Over & Out,

Jeff

RE:
“..your foolish reply … you are the Village Idiot…”

Ya gotta do better than that, Dude, if you want any cred here…

The issue i raised wasn’t about “OCC success” so your assertion that “…OCC is doing very well with their sales …” is totally irrelevant.

My contention is that OCC’s TV antics have an adverse effect on an industry. Mainly because industry in general is now increasingly less relevant to the “beer moron” market. Those people no longer have the ability to pull money out of an inflated home equity.

Moreover, those of us who go back to the bad old days find the image that OCC’s TV antics presents to the public damned offensive.
But you seem to think the OCC TV antics are OK.
And that “boy” shit really comes off 8th grade….
Right now i’m looking at you like: -1- “break-in-biker” or -2- “Beer Moron”

You say OCC is a positive force in the industry.
So, make your point or i’ll have to tell “the little bird” story…………
And this time try it without the “boy” shit.
Trust me, you’ll come across much better.

-nicker-

Just to clarify, Jeff didnt call them dsfunctional, he was quoting what others say to him.,

“The normal response is “Wow, what a dysfunctional family they are!””

This is quite entertaining though.

Jeff

Do you think Gar will give me an indefinate loan, he can’t take it all with him? Just kidding obviously.

I want to take this moment to thank Cyril Huze for offering this awsome industry blog. It gives everybody an opportunity to share our ideas and beliefs. I know for a fact that popularity is growing very quickly throughout the industry. The content is excellent and very well put together.

Keep up the good work. We appreciate it.

DTS

Don’t assume…..it’s a very stupid thing to do……Nicky Boy.

I just disagree and still do about his and your comments about OCC.

OCC is doing very well with their sales both nationally and internationally. Unfortunately, most builders right now are not very busy due to the economy and other mitigating factors.

I hope that your business is holding it’s own right now and I wish you the best. But, if you are looking down at the OCC as when you first met them, you are putting yourself under scrutiny. Please don’t compare yourself to OCC. It’s not a fair comparison. And as far as you passing judgment on weather the Teutul’s are a dysfunctional family, that is a very bad choice of words coming from a so called professional as you say you are. Truthfully, I was unaware that you also have a psychiatry degree…….considering that you can diagnose improper family function on a TV show…….I’m very impressed to say the least.

Word of advice, it’s very unprofessional in ANY business to critique and fault your competitors for their achieved success and accomplishments. It only shows jealousy and discontent with your own performance and accomplishments. You are better off putting all of your efforts into your own business instead of wasting your time on what your competitors are doing.

DTS

Looks to me like you missed the point.
I don’t care about how much money anyone makes but me.
I do care about the image of a bike builders as credible craftsman, technicians and engineers.

RE:
“…Obviously, the show had great market exposure with the general public and it brought about awareness…”

Well, more like the general public became “aware” that the OCC clowns were acting like the Three Stooges. And now the rest of us are “painted with the same brush.”

If you can’t understand this, then i’m guessing that’s because your a brake-in-biker.
And so your perspective, in that case would be understandable.
Consider this your reality check.
Could be you need to hear “the little bird” story.

-nicker-

OCC an “Industry Ambassador” ….. I am changing professions if that is the case.

You must work for these guys is all I can figure.

Coming to Gar’s rescue is fine with me.

I don’t care if Gar is Emperor of the world………it makes no difference. Nor how much money he has!!! Like they say: “If you wanna play, you gotta pay”……by the statements that Gar was publicly making here on this blog, he was leaving himself wide open…he did it to himself. Additionally, if he was a “so called’ District Attorney/millionare/,special forces/superhero and so on, he should know better.

As for you, I don’t know whom you are or what you do. And it doesn’t matter, either way. But, if you also make statement such as Gar did concerning the negative impact of OCC on the motorcycle industry, I would have to disagree with you as well. Truthfully, yes,it did bring in the T-shirt people, but it also brought in the curious and first time riders with the above average incomes. Also,considering that the economy was thriving and people were benefiting from the increase in equity in their homes, a number of them were pulling money out from their homes to buy bikes. Obviously, the show had great market exposure with the general public and it brought about awareness. Additionally, it also brought in many Harley owners to buy a custom bike. Most shows were(and still are) scripted to reflect the purpose of a theme bike either by identifying a corporate identity or public benefit to raise money for worthy causes. I can go on and on but by now there is no point. I am willing to go as far as to say that OCC has become an icon worldwide representing not only the US but the custom chopper market.

So “Gar” and Jeff, to summarize your statement concerning the negative impact of the OCC crew and their show, please give me ONE strong fact to support your negative statement. I seriously think that bringing in the T-shirt crowd is not a negative factor.

Posting negative statements only shows jealousy from grown men….

Gents, please tell me what other industry “ambassador” has had more exposure and success other than OCC??!!

DTS

“….As for you, I don’t know whom you are or what you do……”

I am nobody; however, I am in the industry and have been in the industry way before OCC was a thought in anyone’s mind. Google my name or “Desperado Motorcycles” or “Jeff Nicklus Customs” for more info.

“…..Truthfully, yes, it did bring in the T-shirt people, but it also brought in the curious and first time riders with the above average incomes. …”

I totally agree and disagree. T-Shirt people: without question, Curious: No Doubt!, First time riders: Not a chance. We were selling 300 motorcycles a year for years before OCC came on the stage, and they were all high dollar units. Nothing changed after the OCC invasion.

“….Obviously, the show had great market exposure with the general public and it brought about awareness….”

Market impact, what market? The t-shirt and trinket market, if that is what you are referring to then that goes without saying. Awareness of the public???? Let me tell you about awareness. The awareness was such that I no longer tell people what I do for a living! That’s right. When my wife and I are at a party or gathering and if the subject comes up, and it always does, asking what business I am I no longer say “I am a motorcycle manufacturer”. The minute that happens I hear “Oh my, are you like those guys from Orange County Choppers?” My normal statement is “NO, I am not a t-shirt salesman. I actually do build motorcycles. Further I do not abuse either my family members or my employees. The crap you see on TV is all scripted.” The normal response is “Wow, what a dysfunctional family they are!”

So to say that OCC has been a benefit to us in the industry, I will never believe it. Nor have I ever seen a sale that can be tracked to OCC.

People in general fail to realize that OCC is a TV show ….. nothing more.

I first met the Teutuls at the Steel Pony Express event, the last event to be held at the baseball fields in New Orleans (were you there that year Cyril?). That meeting was in October the year before their TV show first aired. They had a little 16’ (I think) trailer with two (2) bikes and two (2) lawn chairs from Wal-Mart and not much else. They, like everyone else at the event, were there to show their bikes and hope for a sale. My how times change.

The Teutuls are nice guys and they have done many things for charity and I for one believe that is as it should be. But to credit them for the Motorcycle Revolution: they weren’t even in the ballgame when that started.

OK, now for Gar, dude he was just toying with you. Get a sense of humor. Trust me, if he wanted to screw with you he could shred you up. I know he has been giving me hell for the last 24 hours, but I can handle him!

Over & Out,

Jeff Nicklus

Coming to Gar’s rescue is fine with me.

I don’t care if Gar is Emperor of the world………it makes no difference. Nor how much money he has!!! Like they say: “If you wanna play, you gotta pay”……by the statements that Gar was publicly making here on this blog, he was leaving himself wide open…he did it to himself. Additionally, if he was a “so called’ District Attorney/millionare/,special forces/superhere and so on, he should know better.

As for you, I don’t know whom you are or what you do. And it doesn’t matter, either way. But, if you also make a statement as Gar did concerning the negative impact of OCC on the motorcycle industry, I would have to disagree as well. Truthfully, yes,it did bring in the T-shirt people, but it also brought in the curious and first time riders with the above average incomes. Also,considering that the economy was thriving and people were benefiting from the increase in equity in their homes, a number of them were pulling money out from their homes to buy bikes. Obviously, the show had great market exposure with the general public and it brought about awareness. Additionally, it also brought in many Harley owners to buy a custom bike. All shows were(and still are) to either reflect the purpose of a theme bike either corporate identity or public benefit to raise money for worthy causes.

Thank you for sharing ,,,,,, xxxxxxx!

Gar Out

I am going to jump in here before you make a complete fool of yourself. I have known Gar for a long time now, and once he reads what I am about to write he will be pissed at me instead of you.

Gar is a sixty something year old man who is worth in excess of 500 million dollars +/-. He is a former Deputy US Attorney, former FBI Agent, had a very successful law practice (which he sold several years ago), and has “dabbled in stocks”,as he likes to say, for the last 40 years +/-. Just one of the stocks that he made out big time on was a little company know as Micro Soft, you may have heard of it?

Computer geek????? Both Gar and I were around way before the computer ….. I learned to do math on a slide rule …. if that doesn’t age us both I don’t know what will. So computer geek really doesn’t fit in this case.

So in my opinion, not knowing personally what the OCC group is worth, I would have to say that Gar could financially whip them hands down.

Also, from my personal stand point: OCC played a major role in totally *&%#ing this industry up. You state that OCC brought middle America into the motorcycle industry, no way man, they brought the t-shirt group into the industry. I believe if you were to ask anyone in the industry, with any sense about them at all, they would agree. Just read what some of the comments, from the named bloggers on this site, have to say about OCC, not much good.

Obviously you are a OCC fan, which is cool, but please be more realistic about them. Just my thoughts man. Have a good day.

Over & Out,

Jeff

Gar: Don’t start with me now, I don’t have the time for this crap!

I’ll tell ya…..sounds like you got it going on dude…managing your assets on your computer and then golf at 3:10….WOW….dude you are one cool MOFO…………Is that what your idea of success is??? Now I’m really laughing OUT LOUD!!……..Here you go…… let me spell it out for you Gar……D-O-R-K…….can you read that?? Let’s see if home schooling worked for you!!

It’s obvious that you were the computer geek in school and guys like me picked on you……and as a matter of fact, I still do…see bro…nothing has changed….you are still the same wannabee wimp that is all pissed off at the world and your idea of revenge is money…..and golf at 3:10……believe me Gar, the little bit of money that you have is not going to make your li’l prick any bigger. Big deal, so you have some investments and you are living off some of the gains…..BIG DEAL….so are a lot of other people…..truthfully, you are just content with what you have and you chose not to work and you think that you are better than the rest of us. Sad thing is you believe it heart and soul because you are an ignorant bastard that thinks that they have made it BIG…….more power to you Waldo……..idiots like you only fill my pockets.

Remember Gar, the next time that you start throwing shit around on one of these blogs I would be very careful….. you see Gar, not everybody is as ignorant as you.

You did it to yourself Gar….now I’m actually starting to feel for ya buddy….seriously.

I’m dead serious about your TV show…….let me be your agent….we could call it: ” Gar and Barney Fife Chopper Stories”. What do ya think??? huh?…too lame??….c’mon…we can sell tons of t-shirts….just like OCC does…then we won’t be jealous of them any more

Trust me bro…I can make you MORE money than you ever imagined……:-) I’m almost 100% sure that I can get you on MTV….maybe even get one of those rap dudes to even write a song about you!!!

Think about it……

Once again Gar…tell us how OCC has hurt the industry……….