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	<title>Comments on: Testing The New 2009 Indian Chief</title>
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		<title>By: John Wayne Bercier</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wayne Bercier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the bike is sleek and refined!  I like the old bikes too with their antiqueness!  I don&#039;t like the judgmentmental people who think they are all that!  You sound like predjudice assholes!  I ride a 2003 spirit and I love it.  I ride it not to be who you are!  I ride it to be me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the bike is sleek and refined!  I like the old bikes too with their antiqueness!  I don&#8217;t like the judgmentmental people who think they are all that!  You sound like predjudice assholes!  I ride a 2003 spirit and I love it.  I ride it not to be who you are!  I ride it to be me!</p>
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		<title>By: BRAD</title>
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		<dc:creator>BRAD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SAW THE 2009 INDIAN CHIEF AT DAYTONA BIKE WEEK. NICE BIKE BUT ABOUT TWICE THE PRICE OF A HARLEY OR THE VICTORY! THEY OFFERED NO DEMOS BUT ALL THE OTHERS DID! OH THE BEST PART , 12 DEALERS IN THE COUNTRY  !   GOOD LUCK CHARLIE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SAW THE 2009 INDIAN CHIEF AT DAYTONA BIKE WEEK. NICE BIKE BUT ABOUT TWICE THE PRICE OF A HARLEY OR THE VICTORY! THEY OFFERED NO DEMOS BUT ALL THE OTHERS DID! OH THE BEST PART , 12 DEALERS IN THE COUNTRY  !   GOOD LUCK CHARLIE!</p>
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		<title>By: free</title>
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		<dc:creator>free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 05:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris theres a reason its a quote &quot; unreal price&quot; ITS JUNK&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris theres a reason its a quote &#8221; unreal price&#8221; ITS JUNK&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: free</title>
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		<dc:creator>free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a friend of mine bought the chief  when they came out with there motor lasttime. He had less than 4000 miles om it and they closed. his dealer voided the warranty. I rode the bike many times and yes it had plenty of power BUT: first yr the speedometer filled up with water, replaced for 400, 2nd yr wiring harness caught on fire, and recently motor had to be rebuilt. the chrome started pealing at 2,000 miles. now he has about 32,000 in it and couldnt sell it for 14k this Last season. ID say ill wait for 10 or more years before even considering it. a compant comeback is possible but not likely gonna spark alot of enterest this time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a friend of mine bought the chief  when they came out with there motor lasttime. He had less than 4000 miles om it and they closed. his dealer voided the warranty. I rode the bike many times and yes it had plenty of power BUT: first yr the speedometer filled up with water, replaced for 400, 2nd yr wiring harness caught on fire, and recently motor had to be rebuilt. the chrome started pealing at 2,000 miles. now he has about 32,000 in it and couldnt sell it for 14k this Last season. ID say ill wait for 10 or more years before even considering it. a compant comeback is possible but not likely gonna spark alot of enterest this time!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happened on to this site cause I&#039;m buyin a 2003 Vintage Chief at a unreal price, and saw the negative comments, now I&#039;m wonderin about the rear head gasket and the flywheels, are these problems as prevelent as these people say or what? And can I get the parts to fix it? Please reply.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happened on to this site cause I&#8217;m buyin a 2003 Vintage Chief at a unreal price, and saw the negative comments, now I&#8217;m wonderin about the rear head gasket and the flywheels, are these problems as prevelent as these people say or what? And can I get the parts to fix it? Please reply&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Clas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 05:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi people.

A swede here with limited knowledge about Indian bikes. The most of you seem to know almost everything there is about the bikes. So hopefully you will provide me with the info I need.

I´m going to buy my first bike and intend to ride it untill I die. I want to use it for long, long rides across our continent or long rides overall.

Would it be a terrible idea to buy a vintage Indian Chief that has been restored to it´s former glory? Am I better of with a japanese bike in the begining and move up to a Chief later on?

Is it hard to get spare parts to an old Chief? (expensive perhaps?)

Thank you very much for your replies.

Clas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi people.</p>
<p>A swede here with limited knowledge about Indian bikes. The most of you seem to know almost everything there is about the bikes. So hopefully you will provide me with the info I need.</p>
<p>I´m going to buy my first bike and intend to ride it untill I die. I want to use it for long, long rides across our continent or long rides overall.</p>
<p>Would it be a terrible idea to buy a vintage Indian Chief that has been restored to it´s former glory? Am I better of with a japanese bike in the begining and move up to a Chief later on?</p>
<p>Is it hard to get spare parts to an old Chief? (expensive perhaps?)</p>
<p>Thank you very much for your replies.</p>
<p>Clas</p>
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		<title>By: biggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>biggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug the only jackass is you!!!  Shove your girl sized harley and your make belive old indian where the don&#039;t shine!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug the only jackass is you!!!  Shove your girl sized harley and your make belive old indian where the don&#8217;t shine!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Jenkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re-badge a Kawasaki Vulcan Drifter, add some Osprey bags, and you will have the ultimate retro Chief ever made. This is the limited edition factory custom of the legendary CobraUSA one-off Cobra Super Chief.
http://www.cobrausa.com/content/index.cfm?siteaction=Showbikes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re-badge a Kawasaki Vulcan Drifter, add some Osprey bags, and you will have the ultimate retro Chief ever made. This is the limited edition factory custom of the legendary CobraUSA one-off Cobra Super Chief.<br />
<a href="http://www.cobrausa.com/content/index.cfm?siteaction=Showbikes" rel="nofollow">http://www.cobrausa.com/content/index.cfm?siteaction=Showbikes</a></p>
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		<title>By: sewerratt007</title>
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		<dc:creator>sewerratt007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad a poor ecomony will kill this bike in a couple of years. Would love to have one but, cant afford it in this economy. Unfortunately living in Ohio doesnt give us the luxury of year round riding. But very glad to see someone make another attempt to keep the Indian Legend around. Best of luck I will continue to save maybe buy an 2012 model Scout. Save me a J.A.C.K.A.S.S. patch I will wear it when I get my Scout. For now, I will be passing Doug on my Japo-Mexo- Italiano Harley Davidson. Got three of them, One to ride two for spares. Who cares what you RIDE just RIDE!  Hell, I my even get a Royal Enfield with sidecar just for kicks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad a poor ecomony will kill this bike in a couple of years. Would love to have one but, cant afford it in this economy. Unfortunately living in Ohio doesnt give us the luxury of year round riding. But very glad to see someone make another attempt to keep the Indian Legend around. Best of luck I will continue to save maybe buy an 2012 model Scout. Save me a J.A.C.K.A.S.S. patch I will wear it when I get my Scout. For now, I will be passing Doug on my Japo-Mexo- Italiano Harley Davidson. Got three of them, One to ride two for spares. Who cares what you RIDE just RIDE!  Hell, I my even get a Royal Enfield with sidecar just for kicks.</p>
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		<title>By: The Truth</title>
		<link>http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/12/19/testing-the-new-2009-indian-chief/comment-page-3/#comment-73993</link>
		<dc:creator>The Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 21:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You care too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You care too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breaking News:
The new Indian company has decided not to disgrace the name &quot;Chief&quot;.  Instead they have elected to  concentrate on 2 new models: The Burro and The Donkey.  Both will perform as good as a stock Harley or worse than a japanese wannabe.  The name change came about as a testament to the stubborn prospective owners who will still buy them even after the Gilroy lesson.  
Prospective buyers are encouraged to join the new owner club whose motto: &quot;Just A Cool Kat Always  Slick Sliding&quot; identifies the members to the motorcycling community.  Be the first on your block to plop down $1,000 and get a J.A.C.K.A.S.S. patch!
The company is also working on another motto for riders: &quot;A Sweet Soul Hoping Old Legacy Embellishes&quot;, but Gilroy riders may contest its ownership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breaking News:<br />
The new Indian company has decided not to disgrace the name &#8220;Chief&#8221;.  Instead they have elected to  concentrate on 2 new models: The Burro and The Donkey.  Both will perform as good as a stock Harley or worse than a japanese wannabe.  The name change came about as a testament to the stubborn prospective owners who will still buy them even after the Gilroy lesson.<br />
Prospective buyers are encouraged to join the new owner club whose motto: &#8220;Just A Cool Kat Always  Slick Sliding&#8221; identifies the members to the motorcycling community.  Be the first on your block to plop down $1,000 and get a J.A.C.K.A.S.S. patch!<br />
The company is also working on another motto for riders: &#8220;A Sweet Soul Hoping Old Legacy Embellishes&#8221;, but Gilroy riders may contest its ownership.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 00:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John White. I understand that the new engine is a brand new Powerplus. Not the Gilroy one. The article states that all Gilroy engine problems had been fixed. In addition it&#039;s a 105&quot;. One Chief will be released in 4 different models/options. You don&#039;t know how to read? Why to be upset by a company taking the time, whatever the number of years it may take, to think and manufacture a reliable motorcycle. How long it takes any established motorcycle/car company to produce a new model? Always several years. You should know this. You talk too fast.  You may be obliged to look for goose feathers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John White. I understand that the new engine is a brand new Powerplus. Not the Gilroy one. The article states that all Gilroy engine problems had been fixed. In addition it&#8217;s a 105&#8243;. One Chief will be released in 4 different models/options. You don&#8217;t know how to read? Why to be upset by a company taking the time, whatever the number of years it may take, to think and manufacture a reliable motorcycle. How long it takes any established motorcycle/car company to produce a new model? Always several years. You should know this. You talk too fast.  You may be obliged to look for goose feathers.</p>
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		<title>By: John White</title>
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		<dc:creator>John White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This published editorial fails to mention that Gilory Indian had a running Power Plus with fuel injection or that all Gilroy Power Plus engines were fuel injection ready.

The statement that &quot;It is clear that the company is not in a hurry to release new models&quot; is news to no one, since we are going on the fifth year since the last bike.  Furthermore, &quot;new models&quot; is a bit of a dream since Stellican has publically stated that its only model is the Chief.

The entire article is loaded with more predictions.  I will dress up my entire body with goose feathers if a 2008 Chief shows up for sale on a dealer floor.  I will buy the thing and drive it naked down the main road in Sturgis.  This will not come to pass because we have all been reading this predictions since 2003.  Good luck to Stellican but their fuel injection power plus has already been on the market for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This published editorial fails to mention that Gilory Indian had a running Power Plus with fuel injection or that all Gilroy Power Plus engines were fuel injection ready.</p>
<p>The statement that &#8220;It is clear that the company is not in a hurry to release new models&#8221; is news to no one, since we are going on the fifth year since the last bike.  Furthermore, &#8220;new models&#8221; is a bit of a dream since Stellican has publically stated that its only model is the Chief.</p>
<p>The entire article is loaded with more predictions.  I will dress up my entire body with goose feathers if a 2008 Chief shows up for sale on a dealer floor.  I will buy the thing and drive it naked down the main road in Sturgis.  This will not come to pass because we have all been reading this predictions since 2003.  Good luck to Stellican but their fuel injection power plus has already been on the market for years.</p>
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		<title>By: KC Cheef</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC Cheef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homer.
 Take a look at the Indian Motorcycle home page, and come back and tell us where you see the Gilroy bikes mentioned by KM.
 No--they try to associate heavily with Springfield, and our machines are pretty well left out.

I&#039;m anxiously awaiting your reply = because if Gilroy is mentioned on that site anywhere besides the blogs I guess I&#039;m having a hard time finding it.
Not saying it isn&#039;t there--just wondering where it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homer.<br />
 Take a look at the Indian Motorcycle home page, and come back and tell us where you see the Gilroy bikes mentioned by KM.<br />
 No&#8211;they try to associate heavily with Springfield, and our machines are pretty well left out.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m anxiously awaiting your reply = because if Gilroy is mentioned on that site anywhere besides the blogs I guess I&#8217;m having a hard time finding it.<br />
Not saying it isn&#8217;t there&#8211;just wondering where it is.</p>
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		<title>By: KC Cheef</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC Cheef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Harleynot.
 Nothing but Indians?
 I can remember a time when ALL RIDERS, and ALL MAKES OF MOTORCYCLES were welcomed.
 Times--How they change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Harleynot.<br />
 Nothing but Indians?<br />
 I can remember a time when ALL RIDERS, and ALL MAKES OF MOTORCYCLES were welcomed.<br />
 Times&#8211;How they change.</p>
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		<title>By: Harleynot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harleynot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Doug is a just a dxxk, I&#039;d like to stoop down to his level for this post.&lt;br /&gt;
MOST all Gilroy Indian riders cherish the 1901 thru 1953 bikes. They bought Gilroy bikes because of the styling of past Indians as well as it&#039;s racing heritage. Doug&#039;s precious antique is just that. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll also bet he can&#039;t actually take the shirt off most Girlroy riders. BRANSON BABY! 34 DAYS AND COUNTING !&lt;br /&gt;
Nothing but Indians and friends with similar class!&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ll be there, doogy, riding right next to your prescious springfields and lovng every minute of it! &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug is a just a dxxk, I&#8217;d like to stoop down to his level for this post.<br />
MOST all Gilroy Indian riders cherish the 1901 thru 1953 bikes. They bought Gilroy bikes because of the styling of past Indians as well as it&#8217;s racing heritage. Doug&#8217;s precious antique is just that. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also bet he can&#8217;t actually take the shirt off most Girlroy riders. BRANSON BABY! 34 DAYS AND COUNTING !<br />
Nothing but Indians and friends with similar class!<br />
I&#8217;ll be there, doogy, riding right next to your prescious springfields and lovng every minute of it! </p>
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		<title>By: Power Stroke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Power Stroke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pop being described as &quot;a girl that comes out the bathroom with her skirt tucked in her underwear&quot; when he&#039;s riding his Chief Vintage is just funny!

When I ride with Pop thats not the image I get, nor do I think anyone thats ever met Pop gets that image when he pulls up on his Gilroy.

Damn thats funny!

You &quot;Vintage&quot; or &quot;Legacy&quot; owners as IMI calls you need to get over yourselves, us Gilroy and soon to be Kings Mountain Indian riders are here and here to stay.

As Butch Baer said to me once &quot;It doesn&#039;t matter what Indian you ride as long as it&#039;s an Indian, and soon you&#039;ll be able to say you ride a Kings Mountain Indian&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pop being described as &#8220;a girl that comes out the bathroom with her skirt tucked in her underwear&#8221; when he&#8217;s riding his Chief Vintage is just funny!</p>
<p>When I ride with Pop thats not the image I get, nor do I think anyone thats ever met Pop gets that image when he pulls up on his Gilroy.</p>
<p>Damn thats funny!</p>
<p>You &#8220;Vintage&#8221; or &#8220;Legacy&#8221; owners as IMI calls you need to get over yourselves, us Gilroy and soon to be Kings Mountain Indian riders are here and here to stay.</p>
<p>As Butch Baer said to me once &#8220;It doesn&#8217;t matter what Indian you ride as long as it&#8217;s an Indian, and soon you&#8217;ll be able to say you ride a Kings Mountain Indian&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: homer</title>
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		<dc:creator>homer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...such hatred being from people who should be building bridges....As a rugger and an Indian owner--two things that require a helluva lot of passion--I&#039;m repulsed at some of the elitist attitudes from both camps..

I&#039;m all about all things Indian...The $$ i&#039;ve blownon clothing, my collectibles and memorbilia, etc could support a small country for a year or two...I own two Gilroy era bikes--bought because my friends (some who ride Springfields) advised me to buy new, as I was not an experienced wrench..( I laugh at the irony in that now)...I hope to own Springfield era bikes soon, and more than likely KM era bike(s).. a bike with help from Kiwi Mike or Starklite, etc would also be an awesome addition.

IMO, as for aesthetics, Gilroy got close to producing what Springfield would have been producing in contemporary times..if you think Indian would be building something that looked like a 53 chief currently, you&#039;re simply mistaken...maybe there would be a retro model, but not an entire line of bikes. It&#039;s growth and evolution....Chevy isn&#039;t making Z06 vettes look like 58 vettes...I personally was not a fan of the Eller bike, and as for the engine--I think it was only a wood mockup, and never made it to the test stage (could be wrong on that)...

I see names i&#039;m familiar with --POP, KC, Ant, Kiwi, RCH, etc and have met all in person or online. We have varying opinions and beliefs..varying degrees of personal and financial interest in what KM does, but we have all managed to help each other at some time or another, and have no doubt anyone I&#039;ve met would not offer assistance if needed..

It amazes me that some in the contemporary camp and in the vintage camp choose to not respect each other.  My vision (and from my speaking with the KM camp, their vision also) is for a unified brand; with Springfield, Gilroy and KM bikes riding and enjoying each others company and rides.
There has been much movement--the &#039;09 bike is in final testing and pre-production w/the PowerPlus 105 engine format; the factory owned dealership is progressing as planned; check out their website..join the Iron Indians at the Branson Rallly in May--one of the largest gatherings of Indians (mostly Gilroys, but a growing number of Springfields) in the country.  Indian will be there, you can judge then and Gilroy owners for yourself.  

We always bitch about the egos of HD owners..and yet we sure the same elitist attitudes when dealing with each other...to threaten and invite physical harm to another because of the type of motorcycle one rides is not only immature, but may also point to some underlying problems one may need to seek help for...the good thing about the anonynomity the net affords is that it often lets you decide in advance who to ride with, and who to ride by..
feel free to check out my site at www.indianmcinfo.com --support info for Gilroys and I have some support info i&#039;m acquiring for Springfields that I will put on...if you have something that would be a good addition, please send it... 

-eric-...Indian owner, rugby player and closet musician....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;such hatred being from people who should be building bridges&#8230;.As a rugger and an Indian owner&#8211;two things that require a helluva lot of passion&#8211;I&#8217;m repulsed at some of the elitist attitudes from both camps..</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all about all things Indian&#8230;The $$ i&#8217;ve blownon clothing, my collectibles and memorbilia, etc could support a small country for a year or two&#8230;I own two Gilroy era bikes&#8211;bought because my friends (some who ride Springfields) advised me to buy new, as I was not an experienced wrench..( I laugh at the irony in that now)&#8230;I hope to own Springfield era bikes soon, and more than likely KM era bike(s).. a bike with help from Kiwi Mike or Starklite, etc would also be an awesome addition.</p>
<p>IMO, as for aesthetics, Gilroy got close to producing what Springfield would have been producing in contemporary times..if you think Indian would be building something that looked like a 53 chief currently, you&#8217;re simply mistaken&#8230;maybe there would be a retro model, but not an entire line of bikes. It&#8217;s growth and evolution&#8230;.Chevy isn&#8217;t making Z06 vettes look like 58 vettes&#8230;I personally was not a fan of the Eller bike, and as for the engine&#8211;I think it was only a wood mockup, and never made it to the test stage (could be wrong on that)&#8230;</p>
<p>I see names i&#8217;m familiar with &#8211;POP, KC, Ant, Kiwi, RCH, etc and have met all in person or online. We have varying opinions and beliefs..varying degrees of personal and financial interest in what KM does, but we have all managed to help each other at some time or another, and have no doubt anyone I&#8217;ve met would not offer assistance if needed..</p>
<p>It amazes me that some in the contemporary camp and in the vintage camp choose to not respect each other.  My vision (and from my speaking with the KM camp, their vision also) is for a unified brand; with Springfield, Gilroy and KM bikes riding and enjoying each others company and rides.<br />
There has been much movement&#8211;the &#8217;09 bike is in final testing and pre-production w/the PowerPlus 105 engine format; the factory owned dealership is progressing as planned; check out their website..join the Iron Indians at the Branson Rallly in May&#8211;one of the largest gatherings of Indians (mostly Gilroys, but a growing number of Springfields) in the country.  Indian will be there, you can judge then and Gilroy owners for yourself.  </p>
<p>We always bitch about the egos of HD owners..and yet we sure the same elitist attitudes when dealing with each other&#8230;to threaten and invite physical harm to another because of the type of motorcycle one rides is not only immature, but may also point to some underlying problems one may need to seek help for&#8230;the good thing about the anonynomity the net affords is that it often lets you decide in advance who to ride with, and who to ride by..<br />
feel free to check out my site at <a href="http://www.indianmcinfo.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.indianmcinfo.com</a> &#8211;support info for Gilroys and I have some support info i&#8217;m acquiring for Springfields that I will put on&#8230;if you have something that would be a good addition, please send it&#8230; </p>
<p>-eric-&#8230;Indian owner, rugby player and closet musician&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keeping with the music analogy, the new Indians are like Vanilla Ice.  Undeniably popular but where is he now? 
He sold a lot of albums to posers and teenage girls but was never accepted by real rappers.  
KM will sell Indians to a lot of posers but will never be accepted by real Indian owners.</description>
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He sold a lot of albums to posers and teenage girls but was never accepted by real rappers.<br />
KM will sell Indians to a lot of posers but will never be accepted by real Indian owners.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oldb,

Yap, Lennie picking Travis/Atkins style is like nothing i ever heard.
And i&#039;ve been a Less Paul fann since his TV days.

Randy Bachman is putting out CDs with everything Lennie ever recorded.
Even has an interview with his mom.
(see guitar archives inc.)

RE:
&quot;...his daughter still lives here ...&quot;
If you ever see her give he my regards and sing her dad&#039;s praises.

It&#039;s weird how many Bikers ya run into are &quot;closet&quot; musicians too...?
Thanks much.

-nicker-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oldb,</p>
<p>Yap, Lennie picking Travis/Atkins style is like nothing i ever heard.<br />
And i&#8217;ve been a Less Paul fann since his TV days.</p>
<p>Randy Bachman is putting out CDs with everything Lennie ever recorded.<br />
Even has an interview with his mom.<br />
(see guitar archives inc.)</p>
<p>RE:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;his daughter still lives here &#8230;&#8221;<br />
If you ever see her give he my regards and sing her dad&#8217;s praises.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s weird how many Bikers ya run into are &#8220;closet&#8221; musicians too&#8230;?<br />
Thanks much.</p>
<p>-nicker-</p>
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		<title>By: Oldbluesdude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oldbluesdude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicker:

Lennie lived in my town off an on - his daughter still lives here - she did a bio-documentary a few years back.  There&#039;s a great anecdote - when he met Chet Atkins he played one of Chet&#039;s tunes for him, and asked if he&#039;d got it right - he wan&#039;t sure he&#039;d figured it out properly.  Chet apparently shook his head and said something to this effect:  &quot;Man - I double-tracked that - and you just played both parts at the same time!&quot;  You are right - there has never been another like him.  Too bad he was cut down in his prime by nefarious means.

OBD

P.S.:  I did catch a snippet of Jeff Beck&#039;s wunderkind bass player.  Amazing.  If you want to see another up and comer, search &quot;Sean Sullivan&quot; on Youtube, and pick the clip of his 10 or 11 yr old kid trading licks with Buddy Guy.  If this kid even improves by 20% over the next 10 years, it&#039;s gonna be a scary thing.

PPS  

RIP, Jeff Healy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicker:</p>
<p>Lennie lived in my town off an on &#8211; his daughter still lives here &#8211; she did a bio-documentary a few years back.  There&#8217;s a great anecdote &#8211; when he met Chet Atkins he played one of Chet&#8217;s tunes for him, and asked if he&#8217;d got it right &#8211; he wan&#8217;t sure he&#8217;d figured it out properly.  Chet apparently shook his head and said something to this effect:  &#8220;Man &#8211; I double-tracked that &#8211; and you just played both parts at the same time!&#8221;  You are right &#8211; there has never been another like him.  Too bad he was cut down in his prime by nefarious means.</p>
<p>OBD</p>
<p>P.S.:  I did catch a snippet of Jeff Beck&#8217;s wunderkind bass player.  Amazing.  If you want to see another up and comer, search &#8220;Sean Sullivan&#8221; on Youtube, and pick the clip of his 10 or 11 yr old kid trading licks with Buddy Guy.  If this kid even improves by 20% over the next 10 years, it&#8217;s gonna be a scary thing.</p>
<p>PPS  </p>
<p>RIP, Jeff Healy.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oldb---

Dude...!
RE:
&quot;...infantile rantings of those with severe personality disorders ...&quot;
&quot;...For God’s sake (and I mean that literally) GROW UP...&quot;

What part of  &quot;Biker&quot; is it that you don&#039;t understand?
(-BTW- that&#039;s a rhetorical question)

Ya, it&#039;s like Clapton hailing Robert Johnson &quot;uber alles,&quot; cause BB king never had hands like  that.
And i&#039;ll tell em all, no one ever played like Lenny Brau, when he was clean, anyway. The dude does Travis-Atkins double-time with harmonics!   

Time to pop in Crossroads-07, get down the Gretch-n play along with the boys.
Did you catch the 16 year old girl playn bass with Jeff Beck on disk-2...!?
Man, She makes Jocko Pastorius look like a piker!

-nicker- ..............   :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oldb&#8212;</p>
<p>Dude&#8230;!<br />
RE:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;infantile rantings of those with severe personality disorders &#8230;&#8221;<br />
&#8220;&#8230;For God’s sake (and I mean that literally) GROW UP&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>What part of  &#8220;Biker&#8221; is it that you don&#8217;t understand?<br />
(-BTW- that&#8217;s a rhetorical question)</p>
<p>Ya, it&#8217;s like Clapton hailing Robert Johnson &#8220;uber alles,&#8221; cause BB king never had hands like  that.<br />
And i&#8217;ll tell em all, no one ever played like Lenny Brau, when he was clean, anyway. The dude does Travis-Atkins double-time with harmonics!   </p>
<p>Time to pop in Crossroads-07, get down the Gretch-n play along with the boys.<br />
Did you catch the 16 year old girl playn bass with Jeff Beck on disk-2&#8230;!?<br />
Man, She makes Jocko Pastorius look like a piker!</p>
<p>-nicker- &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..   <img src='http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Oldbluesdude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oldbluesdude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 03:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not directing this at anyone in particular, but if the foo shits ... I browse through a lot of fora (forums, for the unlatin) - I learn a lot.  Unfortunately, What I&#039;ve learned here is the square root of squat.  Scratch that -  I&#039;ve learned than growing old is mandatory, growing up is obviously optional from reading some of these posts.  Did I stumble on a gang of juvenile delinquents who are going to beat each other up because they think that will prove that the bike they ride is better than the bike the other guy rides?  Man, give me a small break.  As Mick and Keith wrote over 40 yrs ago:  &quot;Well baby, he can&#039;t be a man &#039;cause he doesn&#039;t smoke - the same cigarettes as me ...&quot;

I&#039;m with Pop.  I&#039;ve spent 2 weeks short of 60 years on this planet and I can&#039;t believe the crap I&#039;ve read in this thread.  The few voices of sanity, like Pop &amp; IronHorseman88 are drowned out by the infantile rantings of those with severe personality disorders - who probably shouldn&#039;t be allowed to own a motorcycle.  I shudder at the thought that they might even own a gun.  Now THAT is a scary thought.  If they came upon a stranded GI or KM rider in the night, they&#039;d probably shoot them in the back for the heinous crime of owning a bike that had &quot;I****n&quot; on the tank.  Hell, that&#039;s worse than child molestation!  

I&#039;ve been through this same crap with the music that I&#039;ve been playing for 40 years - 

- you&#039;re too young to play the blues
- you&#039;re too white to play the blues
- you can&#039;t play the blues with an electric guitar
- you can&#039;t play the blues with an acoustic guitar
- you&#039;re too old to play the blues 

and on and on and on and on ad nauseum.


For God&#039;s sake (and I mean that literally) GROW UP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not directing this at anyone in particular, but if the foo shits &#8230; I browse through a lot of fora (forums, for the unlatin) &#8211; I learn a lot.  Unfortunately, What I&#8217;ve learned here is the square root of squat.  Scratch that &#8211;  I&#8217;ve learned than growing old is mandatory, growing up is obviously optional from reading some of these posts.  Did I stumble on a gang of juvenile delinquents who are going to beat each other up because they think that will prove that the bike they ride is better than the bike the other guy rides?  Man, give me a small break.  As Mick and Keith wrote over 40 yrs ago:  &#8220;Well baby, he can&#8217;t be a man &#8217;cause he doesn&#8217;t smoke &#8211; the same cigarettes as me &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with Pop.  I&#8217;ve spent 2 weeks short of 60 years on this planet and I can&#8217;t believe the crap I&#8217;ve read in this thread.  The few voices of sanity, like Pop &amp; IronHorseman88 are drowned out by the infantile rantings of those with severe personality disorders &#8211; who probably shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to own a motorcycle.  I shudder at the thought that they might even own a gun.  Now THAT is a scary thought.  If they came upon a stranded GI or KM rider in the night, they&#8217;d probably shoot them in the back for the heinous crime of owning a bike that had &#8220;I****n&#8221; on the tank.  Hell, that&#8217;s worse than child molestation!  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been through this same crap with the music that I&#8217;ve been playing for 40 years &#8211; </p>
<p>- you&#8217;re too young to play the blues<br />
- you&#8217;re too white to play the blues<br />
- you can&#8217;t play the blues with an electric guitar<br />
- you can&#8217;t play the blues with an acoustic guitar<br />
- you&#8217;re too old to play the blues </p>
<p>and on and on and on and on ad nauseum.</p>
<p>For God&#8217;s sake (and I mean that literally) GROW UP.</p>
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		<title>By: Gomez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gomez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, and Truth, your friend must be buying his parts from the local swap meets and not the modern replacements....I have 30K trouble free miles on my 38, yeah, it ain&#039;t original anymore, but with guys like Kiwi, Ziggys, Rocky&#039;s, The Shop, HP Cycles et al keeping these old steeds rolling, you won&#039;t find us on the side of the road unless we&#039;re helping a broke down Harley rider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, and Truth, your friend must be buying his parts from the local swap meets and not the modern replacements&#8230;.I have 30K trouble free miles on my 38, yeah, it ain&#8217;t original anymore, but with guys like Kiwi, Ziggys, Rocky&#8217;s, The Shop, HP Cycles et al keeping these old steeds rolling, you won&#8217;t find us on the side of the road unless we&#8217;re helping a broke down Harley rider.</p>
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		<title>By: Gomez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gomez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay boys, time to get out of the sandbox and go home....geez Doug, I ride a 38 Chief and you&#039;re making me cringe with your rhetoric...let them ride what ever they want, as long as they&#039;re not in a SUV runnin&#039; my ass over I don&#039;t care. I don&#039;t have any respect for the KM gang, but they&#039;re gonna do what they&#039;re gonna do....jump on your Chief, let the sound sooth your soul and forget the rest. Truth, IH88 and wilhoga jump on your modern iron, er, alloy bikes and ride. I&#039;ll wave at all of you....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay boys, time to get out of the sandbox and go home&#8230;.geez Doug, I ride a 38 Chief and you&#8217;re making me cringe with your rhetoric&#8230;let them ride what ever they want, as long as they&#8217;re not in a SUV runnin&#8217; my ass over I don&#8217;t care. I don&#8217;t have any respect for the KM gang, but they&#8217;re gonna do what they&#8217;re gonna do&#8230;.jump on your Chief, let the sound sooth your soul and forget the rest. Truth, IH88 and wilhoga jump on your modern iron, er, alloy bikes and ride. I&#8217;ll wave at all of you&#8230;.</p>
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