Comments on: Optional ABS On 2008 Harley-Davidson Touring And V-Rod Models http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/ All Things Custom Motorcycles. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:58:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Carl T. Houston http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-89971 Carl T. Houston Sun, 09 Nov 2008 03:10:45 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-89971 Just bought an FLHTCU in May with the ABS option. Rode a 77 shovel for years. I am really impressed with the ABS. Tried it out on wet roads and gravel (intentionally). Works great in my humble opinion. I commute in some kind of fierce traffic and am thankful it is there. I still ride my Shovel, but feel more confident on the Ultra. I understand old school, but am glad the option is there, any way the ABS has been proven in the metric world for 10 years and I feel confident the bugs have been worked out. About time Harley moved into modern times. And, Yes, Pop, As with anything, the more bells and whistles there are the more that can go wrong, but I alone am prepared to accept that, at least parts are not falling off for my "Wing Nut" friends to pick up for me, as I make sure we rine in alphabetical order..Harley before Honda...HAHA! Love the Ultra, Love the ABS. Just bought an FLHTCU in May with the ABS option.
Rode a 77 shovel for years. I am really impressed with the ABS.
Tried it out on wet roads and gravel (intentionally). Works great in my humble opinion.
I commute in some kind of fierce traffic and am thankful it is there.
I still ride my Shovel, but feel more confident on the Ultra.
I understand old school, but am glad the option is there, any way the ABS has been proven in the metric world for 10 years and I feel confident the bugs have been worked out.
About time Harley moved into modern times.

And, Yes, Pop, As with anything, the more bells and whistles there are the more that can go wrong, but I alone am prepared to accept that, at least parts are not falling off for my “Wing Nut” friends to pick up for me, as I make sure we rine in alphabetical order..Harley before Honda…HAHA!

Love the Ultra, Love the ABS.

]]> By: Rick http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-89813 Rick Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:14:35 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-89813 So I bought a 2008 Ultra and want to put tall handlebars on, but no one has upper brake lines for ABS. Goodridge break line manufacturer said that the new ABS break lines are incompatible and if you want to change one, then you have to replace all of them for $350. Drag Specialties doesn't know of anyone working on this and Harley won't talk due to liabilities... Anyone heard differently? Anyone know where I can get an upper ABS break line that is 12 inches over? So I bought a 2008 Ultra and want to put tall handlebars on, but no one has upper brake lines for ABS. Goodridge break line manufacturer said that the new ABS break lines are incompatible and if you want to change one, then you have to replace all of them for $350. Drag Specialties doesn’t know of anyone working on this and Harley won’t talk due to liabilities… Anyone heard differently? Anyone know where I can get an upper ABS break line that is 12 inches over?

]]> By: carl merena http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-73429 carl merena Sun, 18 May 2008 02:25:48 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-73429 hello, has anyone heard of any lockup problems on the new harley abs systems. in other words, in a panic stopping situation has anyone heard of brakes failing to do what they are supposed to do and that is not lock up? thank you for your time, carl merena hello,
has anyone heard of any lockup problems on the new harley abs systems. in other words, in a panic stopping situation has anyone heard of brakes failing to do what they are supposed to do and that is not lock up? thank you for your time, carl merena

]]> By: Nicker http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-16941 Nicker Sat, 28 Jul 2007 04:44:40 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-16941 PoP RE: "...ABS-equipped vehicles ....suffered a 44% increase in rollovers..." Could it be ABS has created "Highg-side" for cars...? Too much of a good thing.........:-) PoP

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“…ABS-equipped vehicles ….suffered a 44% increase in rollovers…”

Could it be ABS has created “Highg-side” for cars…?

Too much of a good thing………:-)

]]> By: pop http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-16909 pop Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:05:23 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-16909 Motor6, if you want ABS I don't see where anything anyone is saying prevents you having it. There have been aftermarket retrofits for a few years and everybody knew it was coming. That being said, before casting the "ABS" is safer net (insert any of a number of safety devices into the quotation marks)do just a little research like this... http://www.aa1car.com/library/abs98f.htm Google, it's a wonderful thing. Motor6, if you want ABS I don’t see where anything anyone is saying prevents you having it.

There have been aftermarket retrofits for a few years and everybody knew it was coming.

That being said, before casting the “ABS” is safer net (insert any of a number of safety devices into the quotation marks)do just a little research like this…

http://www.aa1car.com/library/abs98f.htm

Google, it’s a wonderful thing.

]]> By: Nicker http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-16877 Nicker Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:01:00 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-16877 Sorry Motor6 i smell a basic problem here and pop may have put his finger on it: "...the DOT that you are continuing to imprint safety onto your products and onto your customer base, because after all riding is about safety ..." -1- Who decides how much "safety" is enough? Not too long ago some idiot actually proposed safety legislation that included "seat belts for bikes." -2- Riding has always been about "riding." Those who want to be "safe" should take safer transportation. The problem with our society is that everyone wants to be indemnified against all of life's liabilities. This is some sort of Progressive Liberal mind set that's been creeping into our culture for the last 50 years. Are you sure the people you know "... have been killed without..." were actually killed because they didn't have ABS or were they killed because they didn't know how to ride? Don't make the rest of us pay for the your need to be safe. Wanting DOT to assure all productes are safe is the same mind set that almost got us Hillary & Ira Health Care. Read up on trail braking. Sorry Motor6
i smell a basic problem here and pop may have put his finger on it:

“…the DOT that you are continuing to imprint safety onto your products and onto your customer base, because after all riding is about safety …”

-1- Who decides how much “safety” is enough?
Not too long ago some idiot actually proposed safety legislation that included “seat belts for bikes.”

-2- Riding has always been about “riding.” Those who want to be “safe” should take safer transportation.

The problem with our society is that everyone wants to be indemnified against all of life’s liabilities. This is some sort of Progressive Liberal mind set that’s been creeping into our culture for the last 50 years.

Are you sure the people you know
“… have been killed without…” were actually killed because they didn’t have ABS or were they killed because they didn’t know how to ride?

Don’t make the rest of us pay for the your need to be safe.
Wanting DOT to assure all productes are safe is the same mind set that almost got us Hillary & Ira Health Care.

Read up on trail braking.

]]> By: Troy http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-16818 Troy Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:23:01 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-16818 If this ABS system is so great, why is it an option on a few models & not standard on the entire line of bikes? Are we to assume some bikes should stop better than other bikes? If this ABS system is so great, why is it an option on a few models & not standard on the entire line of bikes? Are we to assume some bikes should stop better than other bikes?

]]> By: Motor 6 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-16814 Motor 6 Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:39:05 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-16814 It no longer takes up saddle bag space, it is a new system that resides behind the left side cover. I thought the idea of brakes was to STOP the bike, if you are sliding, you are not stopping. don't know of any one, Harley, BMW, Ford, Chevy etc. who has been killed by using abs, know a bunch who have been killed without it. Read up on the system .... think about it..... and like me you will want it. It no longer takes up saddle bag space, it is a new system that resides behind the left side cover.

I thought the idea of brakes was to STOP the bike, if you are sliding, you are not stopping.

don’t know of any one, Harley, BMW, Ford, Chevy etc. who has been killed by using abs, know a bunch who have been killed without it.

Read up on the system …. think about it….. and like me you will want it.

]]> By: pop http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-16798 pop Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:40:04 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-16798 Standard HD (And others) methodology. Police bikes first- have law enforcement do your beta testing to tweak the most flagrant problems before you Tout it as an option- have thousands of option happy buyers pay for the exclusive opportunity to shake out the bugs in as guinea pigs before you Make it standard on some models- if it doesn't kill enough of the option buyers to get blamed for any fatalities make it a standard item, talk up it's wonderful safetiness and add a few benjamins over cost to the tab before you Make it a fleetwide standard- so you can placate the DOT that you are continuing to imprint safety onto your products and onto your customer base, because after all riding is about safety and expensive add ons that you have to pay for if you want to get an RK to park in your garage and show to people when they say to you that they didn't know you have a bike because they never see you ride. Standard HD (And others) methodology.

Police bikes first- have law enforcement do your beta testing to tweak the most flagrant problems before you
Tout it as an option- have thousands of option happy buyers pay for the exclusive opportunity to shake out the bugs in as guinea pigs before you
Make it standard on some models- if it doesn’t kill enough of the option buyers to get blamed for any fatalities make it a standard item, talk up it’s wonderful safetiness and add a few benjamins over cost to the tab before you
Make it a fleetwide standard- so you can placate the DOT that you are continuing to imprint safety onto your products and onto your customer base, because after all riding is about safety and expensive add ons that you have to pay for if you want to get an RK to park in your garage and show to people when they say to you that they didn’t know you have a bike because they never see you ride.

]]> By: Nicker http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-16723 Nicker Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:38:27 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-16723 Besides not being able to trail brake, i'm wondering how much this option adds to the cost of maintenance. Will the average owner be able to purge their own brake systems? Exactly what was the "business case" for adding ABS.... Who asked for it? Seeing one bike at a dealership for an extended period because of some unresolved ABS problem was enough for me to opt out. What possible reason could HD have for increasing the price of their product...? Sorry, smells like more Progressive, do-good meddling.... :( Besides not being able to trail brake, i’m wondering how much this option adds to the cost of maintenance.

Will the average owner be able to purge their own brake systems?

Exactly what was the “business case” for adding ABS…. Who asked for it?

Seeing one bike at a dealership for an extended period because of some unresolved ABS problem was enough for me to opt out.

What possible reason could HD have for increasing the price of their product…?

Sorry, smells like more Progressive, do-good meddling…. :(

]]> By: a 1 cycles http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-16691 a 1 cycles Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:14:08 +0000 http://www.cyrilhuzeblog.com/2007/07/24/optional-abs-on-2008-harley-davidson-touring-and-v-rod-models/#comment-16691 if you consider "invisible" as taking up half of the right saddlebag so be it. the system works well but as an experienced rider if i want to lock up the rear and slide i want the ability to do it not a grab and release electronic solenoid telling me no you cant. if you consider “invisible” as taking up half of the right saddlebag so be it. the system works well but as an experienced rider if i want to lock up the rear and slide i want the ability to do it not a grab and release electronic solenoid telling me no you cant.

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